Trump to Start Declassify Deep State Documents Including 'Bucket 5' in Next 7-8 Days

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Talk is cheap, and Trump has demonstrated that many times, from his bluster about Syria and many other things.

    If he actually does what he says in this regard, I will heartily applaud his actions.

    The one thing he won't declassify and make public is the fraud of 911.
     
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    Ok great, what might have been. Problem with your argument is Trump didn't fire Mueller and could have any day he wanted. This he attempted to fire Mueller is laughable on its face. If Trump told McGann to fire Mules, McGann didn't like you propose, then the next day if Trump really wanted Mules fired both McGann and Mules would have been fired by the Chief of Staff. There's no such thing as an attempted firing by someone with the power to fire anyone in the executive branch and had zero effect on the investigation, hence no obstruction. Mules said point blank in the report, Trump fully cooperated in giving over 1 million documents, allowing all witness's to freely testify, and didn't invoke executive privilege one time. Obstruction my ass.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    first what's been deemed as classified needs to be declassified and the parts that contain Grand Jury information a judge needs to give permission to have that released and that's highly unlikely
     
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    I said it must be done legally.
     
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    icehole3 Well-Known Member

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    How do you know, are you part of his staff?
     
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    For most Democrats it is about politics. Only AOC went on the record stating it should be about enforcing the law and politics should not be the factor in deciding not to start impeachment procedures.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hell no I'm not.

    I'm just a disinterested observer watching from the sidelines. And I'm prone to placing gentleman's bets.
     
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    No need to wager, just wait it out like I am. I agree with you, I want 9-11 exposed. Trump's term isn't over though. At least we're having the discussion that he may, Ovomit wouldn't even think of releasing that stuff.
     
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    Of course Mueller wouldn't answer a single question about anything not covered in his report. He would be there to discuss the investigation and the report and not any ongoing investigations that he is currently not involved in. It makes absolutely no sense that the Democrats who appear to want to know more about his report would not take an opportunity to discuss the findings with the actual lead investigator and author of the Mueller report. I would like to see Mueller under oath, and answering questions from the Dems, and those questions that the Republican's have as well.
     
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    Hawgs, all due respect, but thats ridiculous on its face.

    Telling McGahn to fire Mueller, whether he did it or not IS obstruction. Thats the textbook definition. Mueller does NOT have to be fired for Trump to have obstructed. Thats just a fact
     
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    If Trump wanted Mueller fired, he could have fired him. Why don't the Dem's get Mueller in and put him under oath on the stand to clear up any of their questions. It would be one way to move on, and both sides could seek out answers from the author and lead investigator of the Mueller investigation.
     
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    As I recall, Trump had two complaints. One was that Mueller was passed over for Comey's replacement. The other was the claim that Mueller is a friend of Comey.

    I think that it's a matter of opinion whether those are sufficient grounds to consider replacing Mueller. I also think that it's unreasonable to dismiss those concerns out of hand.

    I don't see how replacing someone for a perceived bias would cause his replacement to be corrupted.

    I also think that the investigators were all biased. I think that it's hard to look at a panel of Democrat donors and Clinton contractors without scratching one's head. On the flip side, it would be easy to find a panel full of Republicans that hold personal biases against Trump.

    I was once flagged for jury duty. The case involved a situation much like I experienced in my childhood. I believed that I could have judged the case fairly, but the defense booted me out. Would my replacement then feel that he had to vote for acquittal?
     
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    Mueller doesn't want to talk because he would have to answer questions from the Freedom caucus guys and Andrew Weissmann would know more about the report than Mueller.
     
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    Right ... it's like week six of Mueller refusals and 2 weeks of AG Barr's contempt? Sooo pathetic. :no:
     
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    That all works for me... The Democrats DO want to talk to Mueller... it's a known fact. It'll happen eventually..
     
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    It was not obstruction according to McGahn, or the AG, or the Deputy AG, and McGahn will be defense witness #1 in any impeachment hearing on that issue. :) (But I bet sanfrannan is not stoopid enuff to let that happen. Do you?)

    The lack of any criminal referrals by mueller & his flying monkeys is tacit vindication of Trump. That's why the donks are leading their sycophants around by the nose. They got nuttin', honey.
     
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    I saw a post from Mello this morning saying, "Mueller had a lot of obstruction in the report."
     
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    The circular firing squad they have formed is a bit sad, but I have to admit it is fun to watch.
     
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    "tacit vindication"? :roflol:
     
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    Yup the left wing media has taught us all well :)
     
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    LOL, aint that the truth :applause:
     
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    No permission needed to release GJ testimony to another court or congress to investigate impeachment.
     
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    No criminal referral. It's
    Well, him being such a noted legal counsel, maybe we should all just defer to his brilliant jurisprudence. :roll: :roflol:
     
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    Wrong. The presiding judge over the GJ makes the call. Rule 6E Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
     
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    Indeed, this should be a non-partisan inquiry of the highest levels. And the only reason it isn't, is because it is the kind of political device that Authoritarians would love(I say this, though an Authoritarian I do not approve precisely because it can easily be turned on anyone.) It's what we call a trojan horse, or the Sword of Damocles.

    We needed to get rid of FISA when it was created in Reagan's term, now we have no uncertainty as to the need of getting rid of it.
     
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