Barr Assigns U.S. Attorney in Connecticut to Review Origins of Russia Inquiry

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  1. Asherah

    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever gives you that idea?

    Stop being divided then, and wake up to what the report actually says.

    Are you claiming someone committed a crime? What crime, and by whom? Is there evidence that establishes a crime beyond a reasonable doubt? That was the standard Mueller used.

    There was ample evidence of possible conspiracy to justify an investigation. You take Trump's whining too seriously.
     
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    His job description.
    It's quite a lengthy report. Which part are you referring to, specifically?
    "Colluding" is not a crime. However it is known that Hillary Clinton and the DNC, through Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, colluded with the Russians on a fake 'dossier'. Even paid for it. Did you know that?
    There was ample evidence of a 'possible' conspiracy? That's great stuff! There is ample evidence that you possibly have no idea what you're talking about. You need actual evidence that a crime was committed, not 'possible' evidence for a 'possible' crime.
    I like facts, not foolish leftist conspiracy theories that get way out of control.
     
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    That is a biased assumption, unsupported by evidence. On the other hand, we know that (as of today) 948 former federal prosecutors have assessed the evidence described by Mueller and concluded:

    "that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming."


    Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid. I don't even insist that all those former prosecutors are right - establishing intent might be a bit tricky. But my goodness, how could anyone be so absolutely certain they have it wrong, is beyond me.
     
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    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like facts too, so please share the factual basis for your claim that Mueller's job description requires Mueller to be silent if he fails to judge Trump guilty of a crime?
     
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    Sorry for my imprecise language. The point is, there was sufficiently strong evidence to warrant initiating an investigation of possible conspiracy. During the course of the investigation they discovered crimes having been committed by Manafort. There's no apparent illegality involved in the investigation. Perhaps you have some reason to be suspicious, but just like with the Russia investigation itself, it is inappropriate to assert a crime was committed before investigating all the facts.
     
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    It's inappropriate to not investigate no known crime?
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If he finds Trump guilty of a crime, which he didn't of course, he indicts. His opinions based on gossip and innuendo are without value or merit and serve no purpose except to incite political turmoil in the nation.

    Do you believe there's a crisis at the border yet? Probably not. Like millions of others you're more likely focused on conspiracy theories and Donald Trump's hair color. You just may be the victim of deliberate political distraction.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You've just given a great definition of a "Witch Hunt". A possible perhaps maybe crime, despite no evidence of any actual crime having been committed, and then investigating everyone, no matter how peripherally they may have belonged to an opponent's political campaign, and charge them with whatever possible crimes you may discover along the way.

    Is it possible, given the resources of the FBI, CIA, and a dozen high priced lawyers, that they may find some crime committed in your lifetime also, or something you wouldn't want your loved ones or neighbors to discover? That's what's been happening over the past 2+ years and leftists, as usual, are all for it.
     
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    Due to Trump's extreme popularity, they don't believe they can win. The so called polls are probably just as inaccurate as they were in 2016 when they thought Hillary would win in a landslide. So between the IG report and AG Barr's investigation closing in, they're rabid to find anything at all to impeach Trump for or at least seriously discredit him knowing if they don't, their chances of winning are really bad.

    It's also why they won't give an inch to help him in any way giving him more wins. The democrats are a cancer destroying the country.
     
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    So all of the House and Senate oversight committees are unconstitutional? That will be news to, well, pretty much everyone.
     
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    You'll have to highlight where I even hinted at ^^ that ^^ OK?
    Either your translator or your dictionary is busted ... better get yourself a new one.
     
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    When one is interpreting law it is paramount to be precise. There was NO evidence whatsoever to warrant a conspiracy (actually coordination was the non-crime that Mueller was assigned to investigate) investigation. The statute on Special Counsels is quite clear. If the special counsel uncovers other crimes during his assigned investigation he cannot pursue the other crime without first getting explicit approval from the Attorney General, and in this event the approval cannot come from the Deputy AG. Law enforcement does not investigate non-crimes. Do you imagine a detective, FBI agent or prosecutor saying, "I think I'll roam the streets and interrogate people to see if they know anything about a murder that nobody knows about"? No, they do not investigate non-crimes; they only investigate crimes to ascertain what happened and maybe who did it.
     
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    The Mueller report proved just the opposite - there was no predicate for the investigation whatsoever.

    This is precisely why there are currently a slew of investigations into how that "investigation" and the spying began.

    As our friend Fred C Dobbs correctly pointed out, this isn't the Soviet Union and there is no room in our country, constitution, legal system and government for the "investigations" that Joseph Stalin and Lavrentiy Beria conducted against their political enemies.
     
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    Of course there was evidence. For example, many contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russians, Trumps words and in particular his lies (e.g. no business in Russia, denying Russian involvement) ignoring advice about Flynn, firing Comey for the Russian thing).

    What makes you think Mueller didn't get the necessary approvals? By all accounts, Mueller does things by the book.
     
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    So far, no one has attempted to explain why neither the McCain nor Obama campaigns were investigated for possible collusion.

    Where was tbe hysteria? Was there none because neither candidate promised to "drain the swamp"?

    "Eight years ago, foreign intelligence services “met with campaign contacts and staff, used human source networks for policy insights, exploited technology to get otherwise sensitive data, engaged in perception management to influence policy,” it said. “This exceeded traditional lobbying and public diplomacy.”"

    https://apnews.com/936b3fe969a540559ecc7503a547e2ad
     
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    Collusion isn't a crime. Is there evidence of conspiracy? If there is such evidence, you should direct that question to the Trump Justice dept.

    LOL, it's right here, among Trumpists like you who let Trump do their thinking for them - you follow the script, deflecting attention from possible crimes by Trump with unsupported assertions of guilt by the opposition.
     
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    If that's a "witch hunt" then witch hunts are both legal and necessary. There's lots of witches. Find some law that is being violated. Frankly, you just seem to be repeating the words Trump has implanted in your brain; words that could similarly be voiced by a mob boss complaining about being found guilty of crimes that were unknown until stumbled upon during an investigation.
     
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    Talk is cheap, yes????????
     
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    Neither do right wingers
     
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    And they interfered on Trump's behalf, and Trump is doing nothing to preclude it from happening again. Somp'n ain't right.
     
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    He who hopes gets the booby prize.
     
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    The left could watch Obozo rape their children and somehow mutter how it was Trump's fault. Beyond disturbing what they have become.
     
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    "Fake" news my ass. Barr said it.
     
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    Ergo he ordered others to do it because he doesn't LISTEN
     
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    When you have a government team investigating interference by another country...that's an INVESTIGATION!
     

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