BREAKING: Robert Mueller is speaking right now, for the first time since the report was released

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    Call his bluff.
     
  2. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    He hasn't misled. You have the full report, the conclusions are what they are. The only thing you didn't have 3 weeks prior to the release, was the underlying 'reasoning'(such as it was) behind Mueller's refusal to do his job. His lame excuse, and his beautiful hypothetical he chose not to charge in a criminal court, because it'd be 'unfair'(yet he didn't think it was unfair to document these in a report that almost certainly would be released.)

    The left believes Barr 'misled', in the same manner that you believe in Russian Collusion. Not even Mueller in those 9 minutes, gave such a suggestion.

    It was the opinion of Barr/Rosenstein that Mueller could've pulled the trigger, I think he could've pulled the trigger. He just didn't want to, and found a convenient excuse for himself in an OPINION, not a law but an opinion.
     
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    He didn't spin it, that was BARR'S legal opinion. How can one spin one's own opinion? You can only say that you wanted to hear Mueller's legal opinion, and not Barr's. But you can't logically say he spinned something, that you got to see for yourself in exact wording.

    You had TWO, SEPARATE OPINIONS. Understand? Mueller's opinion on obstruction of justice(which he doesn't even legally argue, he just lists 'instances'), and then Barr's opinion that the evidence didn't suffice to conclude that the president obstructed justice.

    Two separate opinions, one doesn't negate the other. You were not misled, in anyway. Other than by following that idiot of a house speaker.
     
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    Right. Schiff and Waters will flesh it out with their high IQ contributions.
     
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    It wasn’t his call to make! The executive doesn’t get to exonerate himself through his own appointments lol
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    I’m glad you finally understand the role the constitution gives to congress
     
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    Well, somewhere in that you found an excellent point that needs to be addressed..

    We need a definitive statement of WHEN Mueller made the call that he would follow the OLC memo.... If it's early, then it's VERY likely that Rod knew that as well (not Barr).

    So we fully need to hear from Rosenstein on this question. If he knew Mueller was going to follow the OLC memo early on, he could have removed Mueller and found somebody who would have "pulled the trigger".

    On the other hand, if Rod knew and did nothing about it, then he will be judged to be in agreement with the call and knew Mueller wasn't going to "pull the trigger" the entire time.

    We've heard from Barr on this topic, NOT Rosenstein, who was in charge the great majority of the time...
     
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    And I'm glad you finally read it, even if you don't understand it.
     
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    You are altering the order from Trump. Trump ordered him fired, not to be reviewed. McGahn refused to follow that order.
     
  10. AmericanNationalist

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    It obviously wasn't Mueller's call to make either, since he dodged it in the most epic of ways(We all wish we could dodge responsibilities like Mueller has done.) The dodging is observable to even you, the Left now. So still think he's to be revered, or is he the coward that I knew him to be for 2 years? Nothing until a 9 minute controlled session.
     
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    Yeah, he said he found nothing so cannot determine either way. The AG already made that decision. The dem clown show will continue to play for the useful idiots but will get nothing done.
     
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    Then you have the document that proves this.

    I mean, we'll just pretend McGahn could fire him for instructional purposes.
     
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    But, there is an interesting point that you are touching on.

    If Mueller was really hell-bent on getting Trump, and Mueller thought obstruction was committed...

    ..Mueller COULD HAVE Indicted Trump, and left it up to the S.Court as to whether or not a Sitting Pres.
    can be indicted.
     
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    Another one not watching the press conference this AM... I wouldn't comment on things I didn't watch myself, but knock yourself out...
     
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    Crucially, McGahn had told Trump that if he went through with it, he would resign. This gave Trump an opportunity to think, and it is here where you can actually judge criminal intent or not. Trump decided that McGahn's legal counsel was more worth it than Mueller's firing, so he decided not to do so.

    Unless we're about to charge thought crimes here, I hardly see Counsel's argument for obstruction.
     
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    LOL, he didn't say anything different than what is in the report and he specifically said he didn't decide either way on obstruction but Barr did. Move on little doggy.
     
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    So you're telling me a person who's role is to check the President's wishes against the law and advise on how to best keep the Presidency on firm legal ground did his job? Wow.
     
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    You are exactly right. :applause: I'm not even being sarcastic here either, to be clear. I agree fully with your assessment. Let me take my logic one step further: Since the AG/DAG both said they expected Mueller to file the charges(if charges were to be filed), I believe the DOJ was prepared to either craft a new opinion, or to argue in court on the validity of previous opinions in order to get the charges through.

    TLDR: The DOJ was prepared to take the case, if it was made. Mueller decided preemptively, not to make it.
     
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    That is all but inevitable.
     
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    You mean Trump took advice from an adviser and did not obstruct anything? Wow, what a bombshell. LOL
     
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    Let's be 100% accurate, if we expect these sheep to eventually understand... Mueller doesn't use the word fired, so we shouldn't...

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    Mueller says removed so removed it shall be... Fired is such a Trumpy word anyway...
     
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    Fail
     
  23. MrTLegal

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    No, I don't think his statement will put much of a damper on Democrats clamboring for his testimony.

    I would expect Republicans, who have not been wanting his testimony, to continue down that track thought.
     
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    Impeachment is a political process, so there is no such thing as "having the goods."

    "I could shoot a man on 5th avenue and I would not lose any supporters."
     
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    Oh, so you think that conversing with advisers and taking their advice is obstruction of justice? Fascinating.
     

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