BREAKING: Robert Mueller is speaking right now, for the first time since the report was released

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'd show up on the doorstep of the people who falsely accused you of the crime in the first place?
     
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    c'mon Polly. Mueller specifically said that he DID find evidence, but that he could not indoct a sitting president. Thats what the report said, and he came out and LITERALLY said that today to make sure it was clear.

    I love how Mueller was the hero of the right a couple of weeks ago because he "found nothing", and when he comes out today to make very clear that he did, as anyone without a political axe to grind could see in the report, hes now just some "lib".
     
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    The Constitution gives Congress sole authority to remove a sitting President. The DOJ position is that the President is shielded from frivolous lawsuits/indictments that would keep him so busy dealing with he would be unable to do his job. But there is nothing to prevent anybody for indicting him for crimes once he completes his term of office and nothing to prevent Congress from impeaching him.

    But again, it was NOT Mueller's job to indict the President. It was his job to identify any illegal collusion between President Trump and/or his campaign staff and the Russians and any other committed crimes that turned up as a result of that investigation. Despite 1.4 million documents, 500 interviews and almost $40 million dollars over two years, he failed to do that.

    There was NOTHING in DOJ policy to prevent him from identifying specific areas in which the President or anybody on his campaign or current staff broke rules, regulations, laws. It was his duty as Special Counsel to report any such crimes that were committed.

    He couldn't do that. So he did the next best thing he could do to hurt the President: he gave the Democrats just enough vague and indefinite innuendo as ammunition to keep up their witch hunt.

    He was wrong to do that.
    It was evil.
    It was despicable.
    It was indefensible.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poor lefties and their wishes for Trump to not have his billions.

    So this is the 2nd time today you could have saved some embarrassment by just looking something up.

    How Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner built their $1.1 billion fortune and how they spend it

    The two boys are both around 200-300 million each.

    But sure.

    Trump is a pauper and stuff cuz feelings.
     
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    Trump and Barr have both told the truth in all this. Mueller is lying through his teeth.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is seeming to say...
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    Every U.S. citizen is entitled by law to a presumption of innocence unless he is declared guilty by a jury of his peers. The judge is charged with the duty to determine if there is sufficient evidence to have a person stand trial for a crime. Mueller has no such evidence to offer. The President is a U.S. citizen. WANTING him to be guilty is insufficient to convict anybody for anything.
     
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    Thats not what he said and you know it. He said he DID find instances of obstruction, and that since he cannot indict him, the legal remedy lies with congress.

    Im amazed at the utter denial and spin coming out of this. Barr, and the rest on the right didn't just misinterpret what Mueller actually said in the report, they flat out denied it was in the report. Mueller stepped up today to clarify that he did find evidence, and that Congress is the legal remedy to try the case. Mueller thinks that he has enough evidence to take the case to trial, and that trial takes place in congress. I think Muller stepped up because the AG is playing politics, and Mueller isn't a political guy.

    But you would rather them investigate the investigators, rather than actually see and hear what evidence was found on Trump. That says a lot about not only you, but the state of this country today. Comey said that the FBI didnt have enough on Hillary to get a conviction, and the right lost their souls in their rage to get anything CLINNNNTOOONNNNNNN, and now that the special counsel says he has the evidence on obstruction, you don't only deny that, you want to actually go after the investigators. How about you try to refute the evidence FIRST, and then is your successful there, then you have a case to possibly go after the investigators. But you wont because your afraid that the evidence is real and you cant refute it.

    Impeachment is a process, and it is designed exactly for this type of case against a sitting president. You apparently didn't have a problem with that when it was lying about a BJ, because you apparently thought that was about obstruction (he and lewensky lying to investigators), but with Trump he gets not only the benefit of the doubt with the right, he also gets their attack against the investigators. Its simply stunning to watch.
     
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    just WOW.......

    Mueller said he does have the evidence. thats why he came out today. He is asking for the trial because he felt there WAS evidence. He also clearly stated that HE could not charge the president because of the OLC, as he also clearly stated in the report with the right still denies, and now you're denying his actuall words today, that he does feel the evidence is there.

    The right is not only denying what he said, they are now claiming Mueller is lying. FFS. I weep for this country is if this is where we are at. The denial is just stunning to watch. Hell, you all still think Stormy is lying. Its just an amazing thing to watch.
     
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    Nah he probably told lewandowski to do it
     
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    But he didn’t think of that when he hired mueller? This (like most) conspiracy theory is illogical.
     
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    Trump's victory is assured.
     
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    Lol I’m supposed to believe if he HAD said trump obstructed illegally that you’d be here praising him?!?
     
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    Except for the part where Clinton tried to cover up something he actually did, while you're suggesting Trump covered up something Mueller found no evidence of.

    We'll also ignore the criminal cases against Clinton outside of impeachment.
     
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    Oh so Lewandowski is now approving government contracts.

    Got a link for this fictional nonsense or no?
     
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    Mueller came out today and said nothing to clear things up. He cited his wishy washy jargon from the report. He needs to testify and I would think everyone would want things cleared up for example wouldn't you like his thought process on his decision on Don Jr? How does Mueller make a report for the American citizens and think he doesn't owe it to them to answer for his report
     
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    Yeah there was evidence therefore he couldn't exonerate. The new legal standard, can't exonerate you so I'll make sure to dangle your guilty. This system works well in NK, I suggest you head there because that **** doesn't fly in America.
     
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    The investigation has been released to Congress long ago and if they have identified an impeachable obstruction of justice offense they have been very quiet about it.
    Now it's time to look at this failed coup attempt and find out who is guilty of trying to bring down an elected president with false charges based on no evidence of a crime. Mueller sounded very frightened today with a halting cracking voice and he should be. His only hope is Congress starts impeachment proceedings in order to derail the investigation into his investigation.
     
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    If he had the evidence he should have said so in his report.
    If he had the evidence he should have said so in his little self-serving speech this morning.
    Some of the finest legal minds in the country are pretty much of one accord at this time. Mueller has bupkis with which to charge the President.

    What he did was wrong.
    Evil.
    Reprehensible.
    Indefensible.
     
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    I think the acting A.G. did know that. And I think that's why he hired Mueller.
     
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    About sums it up. And he has yet to state a crime that was committed.
     
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    If he had laid out any kind of legitimate case that President Trump obstructed justice, I would have accepted that.

    He didn't.

    What he did do was wrong.
    Evil.
    Reprehensible.
    Indefensible.
     
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    How do you prove innocence? And since when does, well he possible could have committed a crime so we should assume he guilty of something, pass the smell test? This justice turned on it's head and a prosecutor who is PISSED he could not find the person he hates guilty of something.
     
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    For what it's worth... Forbes states that Donald Trump's net worth is $3.1 billion dollars.
    Link: https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/#58e442e12899 . I have absolutely no idea what any of his children are worth, and don't care, either....

    Trump took about $120 million that his father gave him, and made himself a billionaire. That's a hell of a lot more impressive than what a LOT of other rich people accomplish in life.
     
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    Hahaha! Trump haters suckered in by fake news once again!
     

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