By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

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  1. TOG 6

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    How is it you are ignorant of the lobbying apparatus of the LBGTQXYZPDQ community?
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Yes and no, fear can save but it can also paralyze. The hunter who fears his prey might very well starve to death in prehistory. In the modern world all that can physically hurt us has been generally put away but still we manufacture menace where there is none and so are being increasingly killed by the weapons we have taken up to defend against fictions. Truly, the only thing we really have to fear is fear itself.
     
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    And that's where reading and comprehensions skills come in handy!

     
  4. ECA

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    Huh? What you posted made absolute zero sense. Do YOU even know what you're trying to ask?
     
  5. TOG 6

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    None of this is true.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Another fiction you invent
     
  7. TOG 6

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    You don't understand.
    YOUR post was fiction - a figment of your imagination, with no basis is reality.
     
  8. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    And one thing to stop potentially bad situations is to be armed.
     
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    That has nothing to do with the question at hand. Please keep on topic, and stop fantasizing about blood.
     
  10. ECA

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    So again I'll ask...If an area is known as a high violent crime area, are you saying you'd encourage your wife or daughter to walk that area late at night alone when the streets are empty of other foot traffic?
     
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    That may seem a tragedy if that is your only focus. It is unfortunate that anybody is killed before their time by any means. That being said, you're missing a big part of the story if you only look at the lives lost. How many people have been saved because of fire-arms ownership? How many of the people in your statistic were killed by police or citizens defending themselves against violence? How many crimes weren't committed because of the deterrent effect the possibility of an armed victim provides? There are statistics that indicate that defensive gun uses measure in the millions, though the number of criminals killed by private citizens is quite small. If a criminal doesn't mug someone because their intended victim was carrying a gun that may never be included in any statistical count even though a crime and possibly violence against an innocent person was prevented.
     
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    Since he won’t provide a link to his numbers here it is...
    https://gun-control.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=006094
     
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    Sometimes there's no choice, for example, if it's job related, say a nurse working a night shift.
     
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    Your avoidance of answering the question duly noted.
     
  15. perdidochas

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    And your being anti-gun despite claims that guns should be a person's choice has also been duly noted.
     
  16. ECA

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    Hahahaha....I have REPEATEDLY stated I support people’s right to carry all the guns they want. How you can call that anti-gun is absurd.
    Not to mention I am a gun owner. My lord, you’re a trip.
    So basically you would never encourage you wife or daughter to walk alone late at night in an area that is known for violent crimes. Looks like you agree with me...heh
     
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    That isn't a logical contradiction. I am basically anti-abortion but pro choice. One thing trumpers seem to have a hard time understanding is separating personal feelings from the bigger and deeper, and more important arguments.
     
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    It is not a matter of what is being asked, but rather demonstrating that the various decisions made by individuals are not truly matters of choice. Carrying a firearm for the purpose of self defense is dismissed out of hand by yourself as being nothing but a matter of choice, in a one-size-fits-all approach to evaluating the matter. Such is not the case, as there are those who have no choice in the matter, and for them carrying a firearm for their own defense is as much a necessity as breathing or sleeping.
     
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    For civilians carrying a gun is a choice. Period. End of story. I have never said that choice is a bad thing. I fully support those who choose to carry a gun.
     
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    Except in the circumstances where such is not a choice, but rather a necessity.

    And such is not being disputed. It is merely being pointed out that it is not actually a choice for everyone, as there are those for which the decision to carry a firearm is a necessity. Meaning it it something that they need to do, due to circumstances that have forced them to take specific actions. It is not a choice made voluntarily of their own free will.
     
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    Yes, it is a choice. It’s always a choice for civilians to conceal carry.
     
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    So in other words, every single person in the United States, from the elderly to kids, needs to be armed 24/7, or fully protected by someone 24/7 who is trained and armed.

    And so for the millions and millions right now that aren't, whether they are home, or at the park, or in church, or at the movies or out eating or playing or wherever.....they are doomed.

    And those that have their guns cocked and ready are safe.
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The numbers of such possible defensive uses are, as you say, incalculable. That doesn't mean, however, that you can just make up any you wish. I have seen "estimates" that seem to imply all of us are fending off assailants nearly every time we go out. That is absurd
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    See what I mean by inventing dangers that aren't there?
     
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    So in other words, most of the time, guns don't keep kids safe.
     

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