Trump: I think 'I'd take' foreign help for 2020

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To affect an election like Hillary's Russian information did.
     
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    But why would a foreign country be interested?
     
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    Disruption. Putin would be happy with the results that democrats have been trying to push out a duly elected president since inauguration day.
     
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    They want to cause chaos? Could you cite which country involved has received beneficial treatment? If you claim Russia, what has this administration done to make things better for them? Have they been more flexible? Whooops...shouldn't have said that=) That was the prior administration.
     
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    So, then, wouldn't a patriotic American feel a duty to report a foreign power wanting to sow disruption in our elections?
     
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    So, then, wouldn't a patriotic American feel a duty to report a foreign power wanting to cause chaos in our elections?
     
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    What war ? Why do you need to be at war ?

    Russia is our enemy. If that has to be explained to you then your not paying attention.

    But I will ask. If Trump having these know ties to Russia, then why was the Uranium One accusation so bad for Hillary ? By the new standar, she was doing everything legal and what she was doing is OK by republican standards right ??
     
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    A "law and order" President openly admitting to his willingness to abandon his oath to commit a felony. I wish I could say this his lowest point, but I'm not sure it even makes it into the top 5.
     
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    Which president admitted to that?
     
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    Trump. It is felony for a campaign to solicit or accept anything of value, including opposition research, from a foreign national. As I said: "A 'law and order' President openly admitting to his willingness to abandon his oath to commit a felony. I wish I could say this his lowest point, but I'm not sure it even makes it into the top 5.'"

    Hopefully he'll do a better job of backtracking soon.
     
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    Information is not something of monetary value. That is why candidates, when filing their campaign contributions, have never ever had to include information they have received. Candidates have throughout history gathered information both nationally and internationally in putting together their campaigns and that has until now never been a problem. Our laws concerning foreign contributions have nothing to do with this.
     
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    They did. Turned out it was a hoax.
     
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    On what planet is opposition research not a thing of value? Venus? Neptune? Here on Earth it certainly is.
     
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    Like the Russian disinformation the DNC and Hillary used?
     
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    Who is 'they'?

    And, going forward, Trump has stated that he would not call the FBI.
     
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    See the past dozen or so times I've answered this question, then feel free to either join us back at the topic or keep avoiding it.
     
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    I'm not suggesting there was. I am asking why a foreign country would offer it...
     
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    Wrong again. He said he might. All conjecture base on a what if.
     
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    You mean the fevered TDS reaction to a hypothetical and not real wrongdoing?
     
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    You asserted that a foreign country would offer information on an opponent to sow disruption. Another offered chaos as a purpose. So, in light of this, why wouldn't a president simply say that he wouldn't, under any circumstances, allow for that to happen in the country he leads? Why would he even suggest that he 'might' accept it, considering the purpose of the information?
     
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    They may have benevolent or malevolent motivations. They may feel one candidate is better for their country than another, which I would think would be the most common reason. I know our country has tried to influence elections in other countries for our benefit.
     
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    Has anyone ever had to report their opposition research efforts if there is no money exchanging hands?
     
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    Has anyone familiar with opposition research and the fact that people pay for it and sell it ever tried to play make-believe that it wasn't something of value? Besides Trumpists, I mean.
     
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    If money exchanges hands then that must be reported but information can be attained without paying for it. Trying to assign a monetary value to information seems like it would be stupid and un-American. We in America want to promote the free-flow of information.
     
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    And the recipient won't likely know if they are benevolent or malevolent motivations - in either case, don't you believe that they should contact the intelligence community who are best able to make that decision on motivations?
     

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