Israel and the Iranian threat

We are coming to a breaking point brought on by Iran. Iran is the avoid enemy, imminent threat to Israel calling for it's destruction. Iran gaining the level of enriched uranium to produce a nuclear weapon to back up that threat is unacceptable to Israel and should be to the rest of the world. It is most likely Israel will not allow that to happen and will preemptively strike their capabilities in self defense against this proclaimed threat by the Ayatollah. They are not going to sit on the sidelines and wait to be attacked first.

So what's world going to do here? Which countries will support Israel and which will defend Iran and the Ayatollah.

The United States will rightfully support Israel, hopefully the rest of the world will to. And one more attack by their naval or air forces should prompt an immediate retaliatory and overpower attack on both their capabilities by united forces led by the United States, let's see which countries side with Iran.

 

If you're basing your post on the news that Iran's stockpile was going to rise above the set limits, consider that this is not just a decision by the Iranians, but a consequence of the US sanctions.

There's this explanation:

The deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA, acknowledged Iran's right to enrich uranium for nuclear fuel and to produce heavy water, a moderator needed for certain types of nuclear reactors. The deal limits the amounts of these products Iran is allowed to stockpile.

As Iran wanted to continue the production it was clear that the stockpiles for both products would grow above the limit. It was therefore agreed that Iran would export everything above the set limits as well as all newly produced enriched Uranium and heavy water.

Part of Iran's stockpile of heavy water, which is also used in other industrial processes, was sold to the United States. Additionally produced heavy water was regularly either sold or sent to Oman to be stockpiled there until the conversion of Iran's nuclear reactor in Arak, which will use that heavy water, is completed.

The excess enriched uranium was exported to Russia. In exchange Iran received natural Uranium for future enrichment.

When the Trump administration left the nuclear agreement a year ago it renewed sanctions on Iran's nuclear program. But it also issued waivers for the export of heavy water and enriched uranium. Iran continued to sell these products or to stockpile them outside of the country.

On May 3 2019 the State Department announced that it would no longer issue these waivers:

And this from the US State Department:

• any involvement in transferring enriched uranium out of Iran in exchange for natural uranium will now be exposed to sanctions. The United States has been clear that Iran must stop all proliferation-sensitive activities, including uranium enrichment, and we will not accept actions that support the continuation of such enrichment.
• We will also no longer permit the storage for Iran of heavy water it has produced in excess of current limits; any such heavy water must not be made available to Iran in any fashion.

It's plain how this occurred.

 

Obama was there to serve Iran.

 

It is Iran that is violating the nuclear agreement that is still in standing with other countries, it is Iran that has called for the destruction of Israel, it is Iran that is attacking ships in international waters, it is Iran that is still the largest exporter of terrorism throughout the world.

Try to focus.

 

Whoa, there. One thing at a time. Your OP
is about Iran going over the limit on uranium and heavy water. I only explained how it happened. Iran didn't *do* anything. It's a consequence of US sanctions.

Make of it what you will.

 

Trump is on the verge of making a massive, massive geopolitical blunder.

He needs to kick Pompeo and Bolton out of his White House, immediately.

In just a handful of months he has gone from announcing laudable moves to risking catastrophe for nothing more than political posturing.

 

Trump worshippers are there to serve their King

 

I suspect Mossad has plenty of data, and likely is capable of taking out Irans nuclear capabilities.

Israel did it in Syria, and they did it in Iraq.

I suspect a conflict would be destroy Irans significant nuclear capabilities, and likely destroy any gulf related assets if shipping is blocked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outside_the_Box



Also, we have new hellfires that deploy spring loaded blades instead of explosives.

Those leave behind more DNA.

 

Why is it our duty to defend Israel?

 

It was Trump that backed out of the plan... Period...

 

How can we defend Israel when we cannot even defend our own borders?

 

If it works once, it can work again.

The Times reports, "The Trump administration is telling Congress about what it says are alarming ties between Iran and Al Qaeda, prompting skeptical reactions and concern on Capitol Hill.

"Briefings by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, backed up by other State Department and Pentagon officials, have led Democrats and some Republicans to ask whether the administration is building a case that the White House could use to invoke the war authorization passed by Congress in 2001 to battle terror groups as legal cover for military action against Iran."

"Statements tying Iran to Al Qaeda or the Taliban by Mr. Pompeo and other officials point to the potential for the administration to justify invoking the 2001 authorization, some lawmakers say. And when asked in recent weeks by lawmakers and journalists whether the administration would use the 2001 authorization, Mr. Pompeo has deflected the questions," the Times added.

If all that sounds familiar, that is because it is.

June 17, 2004, Bush, in a brief appearance before reporters, was asked why the administration insists that Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda had a relationship. The President answered:"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/Bush.alqaeda/index.html

Bush's statement turned out to be a lie, along with the two other lies the Bush administration used to convince Americans invading Iraq was warranted. One lie said that Saddam had WMD's. He had none in March 2003, the month the U.S. invaded Iraq. The other lie was that Saddam had a connection to 9/11. There was none.

 

In his interview with Time, Trump described what kind of provocation he believes would justify military action. "I would certainly go [to war] over nuclear weapons."

We already had an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Trump trashed it!!!

Try to focus.

 

Oh no!
The Sunni's and the Shiites have formed an alliance against the United States.

 

This is dangerous ground. A war may start because a local commander or a fighter jock does something stupid. American and Iranian forces are in very close proximity. That is a recipe for a disaster.

The Iraqi army and air force were defeated before the first bomb was dropped in the Second Iraq War. There is a reason it took less than a month for U.S. forces to capture Baghdad.

Yet the war dragged on for over eight years. The coalition forces lost over 5,000 dead and 30,000 wounded. It is estimated that over one million Iraqis were killed. The CBO estimated about $1.9 trillion, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen, was spent on the Iraq War..

The IRGC has no such problem and they are very well trained and extremely dedicated. They have some of the most sophisticated warplanes on the planet along with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can hit our ships.

The Iraq War would be a walk in the park compared to a war with Iran and her proxies. Adding to the size of the conflict, Israel would likely join the hostilities.

Trump doesn't seem aware of what he started when he trashed the JCPOA.

 

It wouldn't exactly be shocking.

For example, one of the effects I see forthcoming from a potential US-Iranian war would be the collapse of the martial regime in Egypt, to be replaced by Muslim Brotherhood-led anti-war leadership. Meanwhile, it's likely that Sunni and Shia in the Levant, currently by far the most mobilized part of the world, would concert their efforts against Israeli and American forces.

 

They do say necessity is the mother of invention, but 1300 years of sniping is going to be hard to overcome.

 

It's a bit like saying that the Germans and Italians are never going to get along because they fought countless wars from the Roman era through the era of struggle between the Hohenstaufen and the papacy through the era of Italian nationalists against the Habsburgs.

The fact of the matter is that Islamic civilization has a long history of religious tolerance, and that Sunni and Shia militant groups have cooperated before, cooperate now, and will cooperate in the future.

 

the USA violated the nuclear agreement.

 

WE broke that agreement (or Trump did) and put crippling sanctions on Iran.

And this whole "attacking Israel's enemy" thing wasn't a great idea when it was Iraq...and they're using thew same friggin playbook

 

I'm looking for a case in recent history. But I don't really keep track of that stuff.

 

Hezbollah/Iran and Hamas were happy to cooperate until the Syrian Civil War got out of control.

EDIT: And of course it's worth noting that Shia leadership over Sunni populations and the inverse are quite common.

 

The biggest terror threat right now are Sunni Muslim extremist groups, and they HATE Iran.

 

I don't really know what that means. If you believe Israel, the "biggest terrorist threat" are Shia Muslims, in a sense.

 

Hmm. Okay. Thanks.