'I'm the one at a 'disadvantage': Trans athlete who won the women's 400m hurdles at the NCAA champio

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  1. Bluesguy

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    So seems some of the girls have had enough and are speaking out and pushing back.

    Girls file federal discrimination complaint after transgender track wins

    HARTFORD, Conn. — Three Connecticut girls who have run high school track have filed a federal discrimination complaint saying a statewide policy on transgender athletes has cost them top finishes in races and possibly college scholarships.

    The complaint filed Monday with the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights was submitted by the conservative Christian law firm Alliance Defending Freedom on behalf of the girls, who are asking for an investigation of the policy and orders that would make competitions fair. The complaint also cites the federal Title IX rules aimed at equal rights in sports for female athletes.
    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/18/transgender-athletes-wins-prompt-girls-discriminat/

    Don't know if the lawsuit will stand under existing law but perhaps will prompt new regulations and laws protecting women's athletics and bringing some sanity back.
     
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    About time...
     
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    Wow! There has to be 30+ people watching!!! It is very sad for those who worked hard and trained, only to have their victory handed over to someone who used a genetic advantage to cheat.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Here is an interview with one of the girls filing the law suit and her lawyer. I think they explain it quire clearly and note the support they are receiving and I particularly note what the lawyer said about the so called "Equality Act" which I fact will create a HUGE equality gap.

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06...2SmZ1V1NGMTJCSnA2a2h2c05aTmx4RlwvcEMxdWVjVSJ9

    This conversation is also about legislation that Congress is considering, the Equality Act. Christiana, can you break that down?

    Holcomb: Sure.

    So the Equality Act is a piece of legislation, as you mentioned, introduced into Congress, passed by the House, but is still pending in the Senate, thankfully.

    What it would do is essentially impose a gender identity law across the entire country.

    So the particular policy that Selina is fighting in the state of Connecticut that’s allowing biological males to compete in sports designed specifically for women, that would become the law of the land in all 50 states, at every level—city, state, and federal—which, frankly, I think is a really scary proposition.

    I think it has massive, massive ramifications, particularly for young women like Selina.
     
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    Why would these women lose scholarships? If these women are good enough, they will get a scholarship. Coaches have enough brains to realize losing to a man doesn't mean they aren't worthy of a scholarship.
     
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    Because there are only so many scholarships. If a transgender man to woman is given one because his male physique gives him an advantage over the females he will complete against, then that means an actual female will not receive a scholarship.
     
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    also opens the door for 'guys' that can't make the cut in mens sports, to simply state that they 'feels' like a woman & enter woman's sports instead...
     
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    There are close to 8,000 scholarships available. Any female worthy of one will get one somewhere.
     
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    Try telling that to the 8,001 person when a person born as a male holds one of those 8,000 scholarships. So, what happens 30 years from now when mediocre men realize they can game the system to compete against women and half of those scholarships are held by transgender men? That might be an extreme example, but if we allow it in one case, we should expect to see it at the extreme at some point. Maybe it will get to that extreme and maybe it will not, but the possibility is certainly there.
     
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    Considering many women's teams often have trouble filling out a full roster it's not an issue. Anyone worthy of a scholarship will get one.
    Yes, your example is extreme and will never happen. One can't just claim to be transgender. There are actual NCAA guidelines to qualify as a transgender MTF.
    And no self-respecting hetero male athlete is going to pretend to be a female. No to mention they would be the joke of the campus and not respected by anyone for doing such a thing.
     
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    From the interview I linked to and you should read

    Bolar: … You just finished your junior year. This is an important time for you as someone who wants to compete in track in college. How is this affecting those dreams?

    Soule: It can greatly impact my future because when the college coaches are looking at the results from these meets online, there’s no indication that these athletes are transgender. They’re either listed under the boys’ category or the girls’ category.

    So unless they’ve somehow heard about this story or they typed these athletes’ names into Google, then they would have no idea that they are transgender.
     
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    This is high school and the NCAA only requires that the person has "completed" hormone therapy. And on the current college campuses and current college administrators they would be applauded and told how "brave" they are.
     
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    NCAA Policy on Transgender Student-Athlete Participation The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for gender transition:
    1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
    2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.
    Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.
    • A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may participate on a men’s or women’s team.
    • A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.
     
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    As I said, if they have completed the "hormone therapy" which does not magically change a man into a woman. And when have these "mixed teams" competed in sanctioned events? What that whole list shows is how confused and disoriented is the whole issue because of this stupid attempt to say boys can be girls and girls can be boys.
     
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    Point being, no male is going to go through hormone therapy just to game the system
     
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    You don't that, you don't even know the motivations of the ones who are already competing. Why doesn't the NCAA add it
    • Must have penis removed or added as appropriate
     
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    How will a perfectly healthy male, who isn’t trying to transition to female, get approved for hormone treatments? The answer is they won’t.
     
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    Facts not in evidence, scroll up, TWO men running in that one event and no one can "transition to female". That is an impossibility. You can pretend to be the other sex, and can artificially raise or lower certain hormone levels, but that does not make you the other sex.
     
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    That doesn't change the fact that a healthy male can't get approved for hormone treatment
     
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    So what you're telling me is that in today's college climate, a guy pretending to be a woman would be a joke and not get any respect. Dude, they're all pretending to be women - all of them. And why would you believe liberal colleges would allow people who claim to be women be considered jokes and disrespected?
     
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    Except that those who are transitioning believe they are a woman. That is very different than a male pretending to transition for the sake of getting a scholarship.
    How can a college stop students from ridiculing someone? You know that's not possible.
     
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    I like it...
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    Whatever, it's still not fair to the real females who are competing.
     
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    Who give a f*ck what they believe? They are objectively men and that makes a difference on the field.
     
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    Agreed
     

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