Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

And yet America was not even listed on the top five of the “freedom index” which is published by the Cato institute a right wing American think tank



Heritage foundation looking at economic freedom


Though to be honest we probably rank higher because we don’t have a religious right having conniptions every time we strip naked and do the fandango

 

It only sucks if you think of it as your master and not your servant. Why do you vote if not to force the government to do what you want it to do?

 

You assume that the world is perfect and that people are honest.

Why do germans in 1932 vote if not to force the government to do what they want it to do?

 

Economic freedom? Lol

Great example.
Non of those countries have the most basic constitutionally protected freedom the freedom of speech. Let alone other freedom.

To think. That even nation like Ireland, that dont have any sovereignty has more freedom than us.

 

And here we cannot claim to be better

However when it comes to us forcing the government there is no better example than the 1967 referendum. Before that our indigeneous were not classified as human. The referendum was to include our indigenous people in the census and thereby count them as human The government of the day thought that there was no way the referendum would pass. It got a whopping 90.77% yes vote ! I don’t know of anywhere else in the world that that sort of result has occurred.

Thinking of the government as YOURS, is empowering and as it should be. Doesn’t stop you grizzlies about them. If your servant is not picking up the rubbish properly you let them know. But to get to this type of thinking you have to ditch some partisan thinking. Start believing that it does not matter which side they are on if they are not doing the right thing then they deserve to have thier collective arses kicked

 

No I assume they are flaming ratbags but while they are being paid by me they can bloody well earn the wage I am paying them

 

I wasn't talking just about the politicians. But those who vote for them as well

God help you if there is ever some populist movement of people who dont believe in western values.

All your rights can be stripped away because they arnt protected by the constitution.

It's easier to appoint judges to slowly change the law than it is to rewrite the constitution.

 

The first one, which I have posted before is a measure of HUMAN freedom

 

We do

It is called the one nation party and every so often a couple of loonies get elected. But the difference between our system and yours is that our PM is only the “first among equals”. We don’t vote for a person we vote for a party.

 

I'm patriotic, so are you switching to calling me fascist? You tried leftist.

You're babbling now.

Like guaranteed voting rights for blacks in the South?

Uh oh. More BS about Australia.

Babbling again.

The Constitution that SCOTUS decided made corporations into people? Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co.

You're a Trumpite who supports the Bloviating Turd in the White House who gave 85% of the tax cut to people making $400,000 per year after he said he would cut taxes for rich people? You think this is okay, too?

Uh huh. You support taking away the right of workers to unionize with right-to-work laws?

You just make up stuff.

We're going to see if the forum will put up with your BS labels.

Our Constitution where worker's right of free association is taken away with right-to-work laws? The one where President LardButt supported by people like you appoints Justices who toady to big business?

 

Trying this again?

The government stopped racists from denying blacks their voting rights.

 

They were called Jim Crow LAWS for a reason.

Long story short, government sucks!

Yet you want the same government that created Jim Crow to dictate your rights?

 

More recent than that
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/07/black-voter-suppression-rights-america-trump

I know you lot get upset over our mandatory voting but bottom line is a) we have really really good voter registration rolls and b) EVERYONE votes, no one is disenfranchised and c) makes sure that someone at least turns up otherwise about 90% would stay home because they couldn’t be arsed

 

Meaning our empty, phoney "rights" when SCOTUS takes them away or doesn't enforce them.

Like the right to form and maintain a union? A right taken.

What's all this BS about leftists? What does it have to do with a comparison between this country and Australia? I'm guessing you think Australians are leftists. But then you don't know the difference between a principled conservative and a reactionary idiot.

You seem to think a written right is guaranteed, so I pointed out blacks being deprived of their written right to vote. You continue to ignore the example because it doesn't fit your simplistic narrative comparing Australians to Americans.

 

There's nothing stopping a teacher from doing that now...they just bring the gun without authorisation... not like they're going to ask permission to shoot somebody

 

Your aboriginals were treated badly. I think the most realistic comparison with this country is how we treated our indigenous people, Native Americans.

 

The fact that you think that SCOTUS can rewrite our constitution illustrates your ignorance, Mr. "I've been a teacher for 3 decades"

Where is this right found in the bill of rights?

For example, you. Australia has less guaranteed freedoms. America has more guaranteed freedoms. Despite this, you think that Australia is more free.

Where's the logic in that? Like I said, apparently, leftists like you believe that having less guaranteed rights make you more free, and having more guaranteed rights makes you less free.
This is what you've been arguing

I specifically used your own example to illustrate how the government has no business deciding what right people cant or can have. Government sucks. Its because it sucks that it gave us Jim Crow. Yet you think that the same government who gave us Jim Crow should dictate our rights.

No one can dictate our constitutional rights. They are "God given". We had Jim Crow precisely because the government tried to dictate these rights.

Government sucks. They have no business dictating what rights we may or may not possess.

 

You make some good points for why it works in Australia. Better than LangleyMan who made none.

 

You cannot ague with research. The Cato institute has listed Australia as the fourth in the world for human freedoms whilst it listed America as 17th

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new

Freedom house does not even include America in the top 20


Oooops! USA was 53rd!

 

There is no such thing as perfect except to say that what lot have is a perfect storm with guns everywhere.

 

As a matter of interest, do you have any reliable stats on that....and we'll just ignore the miltiple occasions when shooters are NOT stoppped by your gun totting population.

 

CATO is not a reliable source. Not to me. Their methods are questionable at best. They often conflate and misinterpret data.

For example, they did a study and found that immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

In that study, they conflated illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. Now leftists use this study as a talking point to argue that illegals commit less crime and go to college at a higher rate.

While it may be true for legal immigrants, it definitely not true for illegal immigrants

 

We have a different style of government

Note that 3 out of the 5 countries listed as high on the human freedom index are constitutional monarchies. All have similar parliamentary set ups. None have a “president” they instead have invested the pomp and ceremony in a “Royal Family” leaving the everyday guts and work to the politicians elected. Most of us could not tell you what our leaders spouses even look like - I think the last time we even cared about the PMs spouse was old Billy McMahon who had a face like a VW bug with both doors open and was married to a woman 20 years his junior who could have been a model. Even then it was more a case of WTF than any real interest in thier personal life.

We elect individual politicians and the party with the most votes elects forms government and elects a prime minister. The party with the next highest number of votes forms an “opposition” and elects a leader. The rest (usually independents and members of the stupid wanker party) either sign up to one party or the other or Criss cross the house voting as they like on various bills.

What it means is that if you want something changed instead of waiting and hoping that your party will get in you go to the person you think will listen. Sometimes it is worth your while to take it to a member of the opposition so they can make a song and dance about it and embarrass the hell out of the government

It also means we are less partisan than you. Partisanship is killing America. That is not to mean we, as individuals are not politically divided. I did the test recently and turned out to be further left than our left leaning political party but because we HAVE to vote (well unless you want to pay a fine and there are those that would rather do that - no probs they help fund the election) we are very much “swinging” voters often deciding on the day in the electoral booth.

If I had a magic wand for America I would change how you voted for your president and make it preferential - do away with the elimination rounds and have one vote where you rank the candidates. It would give you more choice with less fussing around

 

Let me guess: You think gun violence is myth, global warming is myth, and evolution is . . . myth?

 

Just because it is true does not make it unreliable

Cato is a right leaning think tank. Dear lord! One of the founders was Charles Koch and only Rupert Murdoch leans further to the right than the Koch brothers!

Meanwhile I can’t see they have done what you claim https://www.cato.org/publications/i...mmigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant#endnote-003