Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

Ahah! So......the 2nd is SFA to do with beating off a tyrant.....because.....YOU say the Military would do the job you say the 2nd handed YOU the right and obligation to do. (I did warn you Texas.)

 

Next School massacre in the USA? Who cares? Huge giun violence in the USA which is not existing Europe? Who cares ...

How about a proper gun control at school entrance and a guarding by safety personal to avoid any gun in the school?

 

What you infer is not what I implied. I am saying that the threat the American people would face from the American military would not be on the same level as anyone else who had the misfortune of facing it, due to fractures in the command structure. The military would certainly not "do the job", but the level of their compliance is definitely a factor to be considered.

While wrong, you assumptions are very telling.

 

You seem to think that posing an armed guard at the school entrance deters school shootings, and I think you are wrong. Some of the schools that have had shootings already had armed security and they didn't stop the shooter. So... now what?

 

Telling of what? I can answer that. Your comment makes an absurdity out of the second prong (stop a tyrant) of your defence of the 2nd Amendment. You know full well that it does not matter how many guns you have on you, you cannot stop a tyrant unless the Military does stop the tyrant. Yes?

 

Based on my experience, we do not need the Military's assistance in stopping a tyrant. Period.

 

Bad luck ... and looking and investigate what went badly wrong that it happens even with guard? Not only or really to blame soemone, but to get a clue to do it next time better?

 

Oh....okay. So why the comments about the Military being split etc? You have flipped and now say that 300/600 million guns in the hands of the civilian population will defeat the might of the US Military......all of the US Military. Good luck with that. Maybe there was some other point I missed?

 

Being certain is neither fact nor proof. Many individuals are certain that homosexualism is a choice, and the moon landing was fake. Are they factually correct in their position simply because they are certain their beliefs are right?

What does any of the above have to do with the facts that are being addressed in this discussion?

 

Yet another claim that cannot be demonstrated as being proof. It certainly has not come to fruition for those who have concealed carry permits.

 

Are there actual accounts of educators fleeing from their classrooms and leaving the students behind to fend for themselves?

 

The values of will over intellect. Anything goes. What is normal today will be illegal tomorrow in progressive land.

 

Germany, it is none of your business.

Having your pucture taken with a gun is no different than having your picture taken with the family dog.
I bet those 3 girls don't shoot anyone.

 

Ah, liberal projection.

Here's your party in a nutshell.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/eric-trump-reportedly-spat-on-at-a-cocktail-bar-in-chicago

 

There is an actual account of a former Sheriff, who was working as an armed guard at the school, who failed to stop the attack and is now called "the coward of Broward" and is looking at jail time. He didn't flee either, but neither did he charge into the hail of bullets to save the day. So, my question remains: if teachers agree to carry a gun, will they be treated the same way if they fail to be the Rambo when bullets start flying?

I ask, because I live in Broward country, and this is an actual topic of conversation after the way the armed guard was treated.

 

I'm retired, but I wouldn't teach school today on a bet, and it has nothing to do with the gun issue.

Good teachers--and there aren't that many of them because of the low pay that's falling further behind the private sector--are quitting. What you have left are the dregs who can't get out. The expectation that underpaid teachers will defend their customers with firearms is offensive.

 

You're clueless. I never in my life voted for a Democrat. What you and the Trumpite morons have done is wreck the Republican Party. You're an enemy of the country.

 

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Teachers have been accused on this board of potentially allowing gunmen to murder their students by refusing to carry. Should store clerks be expected to carry to defend their customers?

 

Fellow staff members rat you out, you teach gym but never wear gear that would stop you from concealing a weapon, and on and on.

 

Workers can't quit en masse (strike) over hiring nonunion employees. Get a clue.

 

I am totally for peace, however, the only way that peace can be managed realistically is for good people to have the means to fight off the not so good people. Please don't tell me that we can eliminate not so good people. We can't. Some people are born that way. My father was a forensic psychiatrist, meaning he dealt with the criminally insane. I know the evil people are capable of. I resent anybody that thinks I should be disarmed.

 

Not really. Nobody is requiring teachers to carry weapons. It's an option. In fact, in Florida, not all school districts have to allow teachers to carry weapons. Most systems have elected to not participate in the program.

 

And our gun mortality rate (excepting suicides) is at low levels--approximately those of the 1960s, despite gun laws being liberalized (loosened) in most of the country. In FL, when concealed carry became easier (just required some training, fingerprinting and a background check, not the above and sheriff's approval), everybody predicted the Wild West. It didn't happen. In fact, studies of CCW permit holders show that they commit less violent crimes per capita than do sworn police officers, which is still much lower than the population as a whole. Teachers who love children (you can't stay in the profession long if you don't) would have to be CCW permit holders before being allowed to be trained to be armed teachers. My bet is that their gun violence rate will be even lower than the rest of the CCW permit holders. As long as the program is voluntary, I don't see the problem. Guns don't produce the Wild West. It's a myth that emotional gun haters bring out that isn't shown to be true. The real problem with gun violence is criminal on criminal violence, and the blowback to bystanders. We should be focusing on draconian punishment of gun crimes, not punishing the law abiding by preventing them from having the means to defend themselves. It's sort of like punishing the class for the actions of one or two students. It is simply unfair and wrong.

 

Actually, Florida beat Georgia to the punch, and was the first state to go from may issue to shall issue. FL did it in 1987, GA in 1989.