Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

Or paradigm or whatever.

i was arguing this with a Mormon, and I noted that Islam is more similar to Christianity than Mormonism and his head exploded, but I thought everybody knew that, that's why they're called the Abrahamic Faiths.

Was he right or am I?

 

"More similar?" You're grammar is not quite their yet.

 

It depends greatly on what you mean by similarity. I think this is one of those questions where the answer tells you more about the assumptions of the sayer than about the actual concepts.

 

Superficially similar, but then so are the words lighting and lightning bug, to quote Mark Twain.

 

Complete and utter rubbish. Any similarity between Islam and Christianity is purely coincidental. Mohammed wanted to create a monotheistic religion for the Arabs, but the only examples he had were Judaism and Christianity, so he borrowed a bit from each and created a new religion, but then he threw out everything that made Yahweh the God of the Jews and everything that made Jesus the God of the Christians and made an Allah who is more similar to Satan than he is to the God of the Bible.

 

All religions are con games and Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share some of the same essential ideas but they are also different. Judaism is the most racist of the three. Anyone can become a Christian or a muslim. Christianity and Islam discriminate against other sects of the same basic religion. Islam is more commercial than Christianity, with its Mecca theme park and special clothes for the believers. The Protestant branch allows people to run their own private religious franchise as a way to enrich themselves. The Catholics are more centralized.

 

Well yes, but so did Joseph Smith

 

First there was judaism, from it came christianity. Islam was inspired by and borrowed many things from both, just like the mormon did, but all three (four if you include mormonism) are distinct religion.

Maybe in the begining they were closer, in spirit or paradigm as you say, but today? Not really anymore.

Judaism like catholicism is dying. Most jews and catholics are only culturaly those, they only follow some of the rites, like birth, weddings and funeral. They celebrate passover or christmas but more as a tradition than a religious ritual. Muslims aren't there yet.

 

Mormonism is also an Abrahamic faith. As far as I know, Mormonism accepts the ideas of Christianity and adds a few of its own, while Islam begins from the foundations. I think you may have been mistaken.

 

It's not really abrahamic since every mormon can become a god. In abrahamic religion there is only one god.

 

Given the encounters I’ve had with a number of Mormons that’s a worrying proposition.

 

Anyone can become Jewish, too. Islam openly calls on its followers to kill Jews and Christians. Nothing in Judaism calls for death to Christians or Muslims and nothing in Christianity calls for death to Jews or Muslims.

 

A portion of the Qur'an was written during a war waged by those of other religions - a war against those of the emerging religion of Islam made on the basis of religion.

One has to be careful about how these ancient works are interpreted.

 

A war started by Mohammed. One has to be careful he doesn't misquote history. Mohammed slaughtered the Jews of Mecca and Medina after promising them protection if they surrendered. Mohammed was an evil evil man.

 

Yes - it was a war and while I might dispute the specific event, the rules of war at the time leaned toward slaughter. Let's remember Joshua. Let's remember the slaughter of the Midianites, claimed by Jews to have been in the tens of thousands of men, women and children - including prisoners. The only ones they saved were the virgin girls, which they divide between the generals. Look at the methods of the Romans.

Let's remember that Mohammad stated that heaven would include Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Looking at these ancient times and pretending that this is genetic or inherent in a specific religion is NONSENSE.

 

The Bible and Talmud teaches that Gentiles will become slaves to the Jews. Do you want to be a slave for eternity?

 

Islam doesn't have a single heaven. Each guy gets his own unique paradise.

 

What is your reference that says that Mohammed said that paradise will include Jews and Christians?

 

Harsh to says.
Islam and christianity share a complete universalism that judaism don't have. A christian consider that from an ideal point of view, everybody should be christian and a muslim consider that everybody should be muslim.

Considering taboos, christian have few, adultery, homosexuality, homosexuality.
In Islam, there is much more, not eating pork, and considering the hadith muslim consider, some consider they're not allowed to listen music for instance, or represent animals, humans, wearing silk and gold for men.
There is a few one there : https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-extensive-list-of-things-considered-Haram-in-Islam
But as far as I know, there is much more. By the way some muslims don't care of all of them and some care.

As far as I know, there is no equivalent of the notion of "fiqh" in christianity, neither of "shariah".
By the way, some christian want to put some christian laws, but there is nothing as precise as "execute the apostate", "cut the hand of thief"
or scourge people which comit adultery.

I think that christianity and islam are fundamentally different religion despite coming from a common origin (judaism).

 

Sura 2:62 in the Qur'an.

https://quran.com/2/62?translations=18,84,85,21,22,95,101

 

Replaced by later verses saying that a stone will cry out to a Muslim, "A Jew is hiding behind me, come and kill him!" You obviously know nothing of the principle in Islam that says later verses nullify earlier ones.

The events of Joshua occurred 4,000+ years before Mohammed. The Romans ruled those they conquered, they did not slaughter them. Even when they decided the Jews were problematic, they scattered them to the four winds, they did not kill them all.

 

If you read the verse it says that they will have their rewards with their Lord, not with the Allah creature that the muslims believe in. The story continues and ends up calling them despised apes.

 

All of that BS can be found in the Bible.

 

Yes it's written in the old testament to not eat pork and to circumcise your son, yet in most countries christian don't circumcise their son and do eat pork. That's one major difference between muslim and christian. Christian consider that the bible is written by humans inspired by god, for muslims, it's straight the word of god. In the end many christian and muslims consider their book as never-failing. However, the bible and the quran are very different in the way they're written. The bible is more telling stories when the quran is rather a very long poem.
Islam is very close to judaism on that point, because they share that system of taboo that is very important both among muslims and especially among ultra orthodox jews. For instance ultra orthodox jews refuse to eat eggs with chicken or beef with milk if I remember well.
Considering the old testament is the jewish part of the bible.

In the end, even if you might find those elements in the bible, the practical reality remain : no christian have an as extensive system of taboo than muslims, and there is clearly no equivalent of shariah in christianity, neither you ever had.
Even when christianity fully ruled some countries and had very harsh laws (like burn the heretic and the witches), that was never direct order found in the bible.

I'm not christian, I don't believe in god, so don't think I'm trying to defend my religion, because it's not the case. I just trying to describe the actual differences between islam and christianity.

 

Mormonism is vastly different from Christianity. See https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-faqs-are-mormons-christian/