Did P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau save the world environment?

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Does deliberately slowing down the economy tend to save the environment?

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  3. I suppose it would suppose on how the economy is slowed...

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I got a really cool word for you that tends to back up the idea that indeed.....
    back in 1974 P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau may well have deliberately set in motion a dampening of
    the economy of Canada..... which set the stage for a similar dampening of the
    economy of the USA.... which of course would have tended to slow down the
    entire world economy and the key word is Neo - Malthusianism.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...writings-as-art.534297/page-2#post-1070726064
     
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    For the record I am NOT saying that I like this idea because one of
    the results of deliberately slowing down the economy is to put pressure
    on women..... .especially less wealthy women... .to choose to have abortions.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ashington-swamp-from-the-ottawa-swamp.551407/

    Here are the statistics for deaths among African Americans since 1973:



    Here are the statistics for deaths among African Americans since 1973:
    I believe that this was set up.......
    and something happened here in Canada back in 1974 that made this trend possible in the USA.





    Here is one of the major reasons why Canadian women feel pressured into having an abortion. They feel that our economic situation leaves them with really no choice other than to take the risk of living in relative poverty along with their child. This situation has been forced on them and we need to be more well informed about this.


    After P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau's colossal error here is how the national debt of
    Canada spiralled out of control:

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    My guess is that he was pressured into doing this so that the same thing could be
    arranged in the USA:


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    Many wealthy people believe that the only way to keep the lower class working
    hard is to keep them head over heels in debt and kind of hungry. Lower class people choosing to have an abortion is a positive thing in the minds of a lot of people who consider themselves to be the ELITE!

    https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/social-credit/item/the-public-debt-problem?/plenty34.htm
    The Public-Debt Problem




    Here is how I explained this back in 2006 when I campaigned for the office of M. L. A. as an independent:

    From 1940 to 1974 the Government of Canada put roughly half of the total money supply into the economy through loans issued through the federally owned Bank of Canada. Provincial and municipal governments could borrow the money to build roads, schools, hospitals and sewage treatment facilities at zero or one percent interest. In 1974 we changed our system and since that time a higher and higher percentage of all government debt is financed through loans issued through privately owned banks. At this time it is ninety eight percent. This policy may be great for our banking sector but it was estimated that in the one year of 1995 alone our federal government could have saved roughly SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in interest payments if we had gone back to creating half the total money supply through these low interest rate loans issued through the bank that is OWNED BY ALL CANADIANS.

    Considering that our deficit was approximately thirty billion dollars for that year, simply by changing back to an already proven monetary and banking system, we could theoretically have had a FEDERAL BUDGET SURPLUS OF THIRTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in 1995.


    The massive cutbacks in the Canadian military, in health care, highway construction, social programs and education were profoundly affected by these accounting practices?

    So what can you and I do about this problem?

    My 2006, 2008, 2016 and 2004 campaign writings as ART.
     
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    Here is an article by three economists that tends to back up this idea:

     
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    I admit that I could be wrong....
    and I admit that this is a strange idea.....
    but I was actually being largely serious when I began this discussion over in the
    Humor and Satire forum.

    I plead guilty......... I take the evidence from parapsychology rather seriously that
    maybe.... just maybe... .there could be an alternate universe out there in which
    the USA was about twenty percent covered by the oceans by January 1, 2013 but.......

    ... in our time line something happened to prevent that from occurring.........
    was it the seeming error by then Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau back in 1974?????????

    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....



    https://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

    AMERICA IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM
    After the major Earth Changes 1998-2012 AD
    as foreseen in Mass Dreams of the Future
    by Dr. Chet B. Snow

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    Correction on the wording to the poll question:

    "I suppose it would suppose on how the economy is slowed..."

    should have read:

    "I suppose it would depend on how the economy is slowed..."

    And on that note........ I feel that P. M. Justin Trudeau deserves credit for being quite good
    in a town hall type of atmosphere. I think it is fair to say that he is somewhere in the top one
    percent of the population for his ability to interact with large groups of Canadians. Sometimes he
    really messes up...........
    but I would have my work cut out for me if I attempted to rival him............. and I just might?

    One of the neat things about being a janitor at a school......
    as opposed to being the Prime Minister of Canada is that
    people have lower expectations of how competently I need to write and / or speak!


    Canada's Worst Politician.... the film series concept!





     
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    Yes, slowing down the economy is more environmentally friendly, but I don't think we should be uncomfortable while being green.
     
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    True......... It isn't very often that I decide that I have got to write an e-mail to the President of the USA and
    copy and paste it to many USA and Canadian officials as well.............
    but I did this a few months ago because it seems to me that we are in
    an incredibly serious situation in July of 2019.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...theory-of-m-w-p.548225/page-3#post-1070251613
     
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    @DennisTate


    Rededicating the economy is the solution.
    Not slowing it down.


    I am against "electric" because of the effect on the environment to produce that electricity.

    I am Pro Hydrogen and Fuel Cell power production.
    Hydrogen is available via solar.
    My only request is the harmless H2O by product get condensed to liquid water
    and not released as a Green House Gas.

    Thus spaketh Moi The Wise :oldman:



    BTW I do believe China is an example of rededicating an economy today.
    Certainly better than France's :heart: for Nuc Power in the later part of the 20th Century.




    Meanwhile :flagcanada: hoards the secret of Ice Power!
     
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    You may find this kind of interesting.........

    even high level Canadian bureaucrats can be under-informed of Canadian history....


    https://mises.org/power-market/gove...FxsZTBcJ1seRosmNb8RsxbsE1-cwWw4gfl-3fA8cM59Yg


    GOVERNOR OF BANK OF CANADA DOESN'T KNOW CANADA'S OWN HISTORY

     
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    Of Course.
    :flagcanada: FREEDOM was, FREE.
    AND Security courtesy of the :flagus: taxpayer.



    Restore provincial autonomy and FREEDOMS.
    End the Dominion of Ottawa Bankers and pacifying les Quebecois
    at everyone's expense.


    Dissolve the Union of Provinces and let them go their own way.

    no_canada.jpg
    Some may wish to federate with a few others,
    but how many would prefer today's
    Union of Provinces?


    I hope to witness a province withdrawing from the union
    as we witnessed USSR Republics pulling out.

     
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    Did you know that there is at least some indicators that William Wallace might perhaps have been the reincarnation of King David... but sent to the Zeraite Jews who had migrated to Scotland after the Throne of David had been taken by the descendants of their twin brother Pharez????

    If so.. .then Psalms 22 might be a prediction of what my English ancestors would do to him in the last three days of his life?!

    Orthodox Jewish scholar Yair Davidiy writes quite a bit on this...... but you may be most interested in this article:

    MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH
    by Yair Davidiy

    and....

    http://www.britam.org/Proof/Joseph/joCyrus.html
     
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    Environmentalists Are Anti-Human
     
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    Hey, Dennis, the system of capitalism in the world is dependent on there being continual growth in the economy. While some growth will always be there, I think there's a point where things won't grow anymore and then we're going to have a disaster on our hands.
     
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    Which is one of the major reasons why I suspect that the Canadian province of Alberta should table an offer to Australia, Israel, the USA and New Zealand.... as well as to the rest of Canada.

    What I have in mind could be a whole new foundation to something like the U. N......
    but definitely different.......

    It will take a while to get ready to bring in England and the British Isles and much of Europe... but I did hint at one variation on the eventual how over here:


    England is all set up to become a driving force in the world economy.....


     
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    Here is another side to this whole thing that will really, really, really, really annoy Moi621!


     
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    But... we have a long, long, long way to go before the real estate market in rural America will go past what The David Wilkerson predicted.........

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-fed-policy-pay-off-usa-national-debt.489825/


    Now this is all especially true considering what is likely to occur in many cities.......


     
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    I rather hate to admit it.... but this is not exactly a stupid idea.......
    my ancestors here in Canada and America did behave rather badly in so many ways........
    Their less than good behaviour would tend to reinforce some of the ideas held by the people who consider themselves to be aristocrats / the elite!


    My gambit may well fail... but beginning in post number fifty seven on this page I did attempt something that I felt could be helpful in the mess that is happening now........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/illuminati-totally-controls-orgainzed-religion-politics-and-the-media.331262/page-3&fbclid=IwAR0NW5yH8LDKcWkk5BFXQUWgKizBV8HGMNzIO5VOjFl_Iz_TM22V1417EzM





     
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    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is the key......
    five hundred dollars per Canadian per month created through the Bank of Canada for
    a average monthly cost of eighteen billion dollars per moth.....
    would take several million Canadians up into the INVESTOR CLASS and
    scientific research could be transformed within a decade!



    Bringing Canada up out of the Swamp!


    Because our house is for sale I am a little uncertain exactly where my next political campaign will be taking place at but...... I do need to get started on this now.
    It is very rare for me to remember a dream but the one I had this morning around five am has a meaning so obvious that I know I should write this down. It was about a four cord porter stuck in a swamp beside the lake where I grew up and I have driven equipment enough over the years to know that I had to get in the porter and drive it up to solid ground.

    On one level the porter is the entire economy of Canada and I am advocating an Unconditional but taxable Income Supplement of five hundred dollars per month for life for all Canadians and legal residents. This will cost about eighteen billion dollars per month but the key is to finance it through the Bank of Canada as we did from 1938 to 1974 as explained by

    Ms. Betty Krawczyk :


    ........... On another level the porter equals the metaphorical Bride of Messiah in Canada because if all thirty seven point six million Canadians will receive five hundred extra dollars per month through a loan through the Bank of Canada, their own Bank that all Canadian citizens in a sense own..... .then if this loan is FORGIVEN due to it going to all Canadians so as this eighteen billion per month turns over in the Canadian economy roughly three times it will be taxed back into the treasury and within months our deficit will begin to decrease by roughly eighteen billion dollars per month.

    Soon Canada would be making progress against our national debt and within years we would be operating in the BLACK as opposed to the RED with zero national debt. This would set the stage for a MAXIMUM income tax rate of fifteen percent and the majority of Canadians would soon be paying essentially zero income tax.

    This is how I worded this proposal a few months ago:
    "Five hundred dollars per Canadian per month, can this work?
    I am advocating the usage of the Bank of Canada that is owned by all Canadians to finance giving five hundred dollars per month to all thirty seven million Canadians.
    It will of course mean much more to poorer Canadians than to millionaires........
    but it could be surprising how many stay at home wives with cheap and stingy millionaire husbands who control the purse strings of the home may find this extra five hundred very helpful indeed.
    I suspect that well over eighty percent of of Canadians will spend this money reasonably well and:
    1. enrol their kids in more after school programs.....
    2. begin to purchase a higher percentage of organic produce vs the cheap GMO stuff
    3. purchase a newer car, SUV or half ton truck
    4. do renovations to their homes
    5. hire landscapers to do certain projects on their properties
    6. pay down their debt loads, especially the higher interest ones
    7. buy a new home rather than renting
    8. buy a cottage outside the city so that they can get away for weekends
    9. many will choose to move to rural Canada in order to escape relatively hectic city life
    10. eat at nice restaurants more often
    11. I also believe that a significant percentage of Canadian women who would have chosen to have an abortion under the present economic situation will CHOOSE to keep their babies as opposed to having an abortion!
    I suspect that less than ten percent of Canadians will attempt to live off this five hundred dollars / month and simply use it to drink or smoke more."

    P. M. Justin Trudeau for all of his many flaws has set up our nation for this proposal by responding to this COVID 19 pandemic in many ways that may well have been better for us Canadians than P. M. Andrew Scheer might well have done, (although I have to admit in the 2019 election I would have loved for Mr. Maxime Bernier or Mr. Andrew Scheer to have been elected Prime Minister). Credit should be given when it is due and our nation is perfectly set up to go into a whole new era where thirty seven million Canadians become a major force through how they choose to invest their Unconditional Income Supplement of five hundred dollars per month.

    Once this has been accomplished in Canada, soon the USA, Israel, Australia, New Zealand and many other nations will follow our example. THE TRUTH ON THE HISTORY OF BANK OF CANADA POLICY CAN BRING US UP OUT OF THE SWAMP.


     
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    Deplorables....
    very much like my ancestors and cousins all across Canada and America grievously
    offended many English and European aristocrats who were concerned about the environment as we
    participated in the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon...... (just for one example).......

    I plead guilty.....
    I and my ancestors and our relatives did play a role in the shooting, trapping, frying, boiling and barbecuing of the Passenger Pigeon into extinction ......
    so it is no wonder that the English Aristocrats.... (who know of ways to influence French Canadian political leaders).......
    would tend to think that if there were too many of us Deplorables that we would destroy the environment on them and their grandchildren!

    ONCE WE CAN TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY.... PLEAD GUILTY IN SOME WAY TO AT LEAST A PART OF A PROBLEM....
    THEN AND ONLY THEN ARE WE EMPOWERED TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM!!!!


    https://www.audubon.org/magazine/may-june-2014/why-passenger-pigeon-went-extinct

    Why the Passenger Pigeon Went Extinct
    And whether it can, and should, be brought back to life a century after it disappeared.



     
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    But... . do you agree at least somewhat with my premise that P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau may have been at least somewhat NEO-MALTHUSIAN in his beliefs regarding economics?
     
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    Trudeau was a late 20th Century liberal.
     
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