When will religion be overteken by logic?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you think I need to die because I point out a flaw in the Bible

    what it shows is the bible is not the word of a God, it's the word of man

    a God would not make that mistake, a man could
     
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    Weren't you saying that if the Bible was true it could be believed?
     
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    I was saying if the bible was true, when one read it, they would just go, duh, of course I now believe that, that sounds just like something a God would say, you would not need to force people to believe it

    Christians biggest mistake is sayign the bible is the word of God and not man's account of God

    at first Christians wanted Jesus to be the Son on God, then they decided they wanted him to actually be God

    why don't we have a book of Jesus, one he wrote himself?
     
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    So only that which is obviously true can be believed?
     
  5. FreshAir

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    one that doesn't appear to be the words of a God, most likely is not

    when you read the Mormon bible, does it sound true to you? or Scientology, ect...

    do you believe the Bible is the words of your God.

    do you believe your God said he goes by the name Jealous cause he is a Jealous God

    reading the bible, you would think God was like Trump, a jealous narcist with a fragile ego
     
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    Another that goes into some of the many of the similarities to the bible

    "Nephilim Predictions in Antarctica - Sumerian Tablets Evidence that Cannot be Quashed"

     
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    Well you have Buddhist beliefs, right?
     
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    There is Satan & his fallen angels who create many things to keep us from the God of the bible. The experiences of hundreds of millions who have like myself gone from a purely secular perspective to a faith based christian perspective because i knocked and the door was opened to me, in line with Bishop Temples famous remark "everytime i pray coincidences happen". Social science studies show that on the whole those who express a faith are likely to be less selfish with their time, money etc than secular people who believe you only live once so make the most of it, which leads to a lot of selfish/harmful activity. If you are not willing to humble yourself and go on your knees before your maker & prayer then you will never know, it was Satan's pride which saw him fall from Heaven & according to the seer Wendy Alec he and his angels rebelled against God when he had created this inferior being called Adam in his own image, so he is no lover of the human race.
    From the Bayside prophesies i believe the time to choose to find out is fast disappearing now, i believe the church will be Raptured in the next 6 years or so and then the awful 7 year Tribulation period begins, thats when unbelievers will be faced with reality (3 day nuclear war, comet strike on New York etc).
    Two prophesies to watch out for which i believe will happen before the Rapture; men with beards will attack Rome & the Pope will be forced to flee, many scholars believe Ezekiel 38/39 tells of when the armies of Russia, Iran & Turkey mass above the mountains of Israel and an earthquake in the area decimates their armies.
    As the Blessed Virgin Mary said at Bayside 7th December 1976 "Your life upon earth is but a short pilgrimage. Your life eternal is forever. And where shall you be when you pass over the veil? Heaven or Hell! The choice is yours".
     
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    Nothing can ever satisfy humanitarian values because such values tend to be at best inconsistent and at worst ephemeral. Christian values are easy you give aid ad comfort to the widows and orphans and those who cannot help themselves, As for the rest "Him who will not work let him also not eat." Please note there is a difference between cannot and will not.
     
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    Mostly you point out what Christians, usually Roman Catholics did a thousand years ago, and compare it to what the other religion is doing now as if that is somehow a valid comparison. By the way for every Christian that wore a white hood there were a dozen ready and willing to jail his sorry butt.
     
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    that is the closest religion to my beliefs yes, but as I stated, I do not believe in all their myths, I have no issue with that

    I think humans are more then capable of adding to any religion things they thought would embellish the religion more, mine or the bible
     
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    Because you assert there is no higher intelligence.
     
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    Oh for sure.....then your parents have knowledge as to exactly how you were formed or did they just perform a certain ac that was designed by a higher intelligent force?
     
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    So what "appears" to be the words of Buddha?
     
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    Buddha is a man, not everything he said is true, sort of like the bible

    like I said, the closest to my beliefs is Buddhism, but I do not consider the Buddhist myths my belief
     
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    well if they had a rudimentary knowledge of genetics then they would know exactly how their child was formed.

    The process is the same for humans as it is for ameoba. No higher intelligent force required.
     
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    When stupidity is overtaken by intelligence.

    Never.
     
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    I'm sure this was already hit, so feel free to provide the post where responded.

    You made the claim, burden of proof is in you. Prove "(t)here is no invisible man in the sky." Both literal and as an idiom. For the later, if Heaven/Summerlands were actually another dimension or plane, then literally it wouldn't be in the sky, but would still exist.
     
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    I did no such thing.
     
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    Can't prove a negative.
     
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    Just WOW. Call me when the shuttle lands, buddy.
     
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    Well you can if you can prove positive something the is mutually exclusive. For example, I can prove an object is not a sphere by proving it is a cube.

    So how do you hold that religion (generalized, no specific one) will be overtaken by logic, when you can't even use logic to disprove any particular Deity? For that matter, on what basis do you hold, as the OP implies, that religion and logic are incompatible?
     
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    No you didn't "prove" an object is not a sphere by proving its a cube. you proved that the object is a cube. Dispositivity by fact can hardly be considered "proof" of the negative. In fact, unless you demonstrated that the object did not conform to the mathematical description for a sphere by observation, you haven't proven anything about that object being a sphere. Logic also commands that in this example the object cannot be both things at once.

    Religion is not incompatible with logic. IN fact there are hundreds of thousands of books on religious "apologetics" arguing the merits of scripture and dogma written of the thousands of years we've been writing that stuff down. Doesn't make it true, but it does make it at least "intellectually" palatable.
     
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    Your statement here itself is not logical. Invisible man is actually an advocate that an entity can live outside of our space and can influence our world. Even today's science won't reject such an idea. Today's science actually has more fascinating idea than this such as multiverse, parallel universe, multi-dimensions and etc., even the advocate that our universe is a virtual reality. "Invisible man" is thus not impossible, it's you who are incapable of scientifically logical thinking.
     
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