What exactly have we won in D.C. v. Heller?

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  1. chris155au

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    Paragraph three in the Wikipedia article?
     
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    No, read my post.
     
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    In opinions, paragraphs are numbered and not indented after section titled “held”.
    Why don’t you read the whole syllabus ?
     
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    I did, but no mention of handguns being the only type of gun which the second amendment applies to.
     
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    - Not many of the restrictions have made it before the court.
    - Those that have were invalidated.

    An honest reading of Heller, especially taken in context with the jurisprudence surrounding al other individual rights of the people, will result in the invalidation of any and every arbitrary, capricious and unnecessary restriction on the RKBA.
     
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    This is correct. Noting in Heller limits the protections of the 2nd Amendment to handguns.
     
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    Like the right to free speech, free exercise of religion, etc, the right to keep and bear arms does not include inflicting wrongful harm upon others, or placing others in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger - as such, any such acts are not protected by the 2nd Amendment.
    How does simple ownership and possession of a firearm harm someone or place them in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger?
    No such limitation is "built into" the 2nd - the 2nd, by definition, modifies whatever powers were given to the federal government.
     
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    @dagosa doesn't understand this.
     
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    While you both pat each other on the back and still neglect the operative part of the ruling is the most used in president for future rulings. Heller does nothing But support gun regulation ( licensing and even handgun registration.)

    You neophyte pretenders think the 2@ is constitutional when in reality, all the accumulated rulings define how the constitution is interpreted. Scalia bent over backwards to reinforce gun regulation in the majority opinion .
    But keep hiding that part of it , it’s funny.
     
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    How many different ways does Scalia say the 2@ is not absolute ? Several.
     
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    How is saying that it isn't limited to handguns the same as saying that it doesn't reinforce gun regulations? Nobody is saying that the Heller case removes all gun regulations! And what do you mean the 2A isn't Constitutional?
     
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    Where are those words from?
     
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    Then why wasn't the word "handgun" used instead of "firearm" in the decision?
     
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    Not only doesn’t it remove them, it bends over backwards to use them.
    Really, instead of making up what other people say, why not just post a quote and speak to it in honesty.
     
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    Do you actually think that this LANDMARK CASE only applied to Heller himself?
     
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    Post it instead of making a falsehood. The term “handgun” is used all through the decision. The phrase “ a firearm “ refers to a particular item. Otherwise, it would say, “any firearm”..
     
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    It applies to all persons in comparable situations and likewise applies to all jurisdictions which behave like D of C.
    It certainly does nothing to restrict gun registration and licensing.
     
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    In the context of the Supreme Court, why do you continue to use the non-existent term "operative ruling?" That's fraudulent!
     
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    Why isn't it EXCLUSIVELY used? It's only used when referring to the original Heller DC case, but not when referring to the Second Amendment.
     
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    Have you ever even heard of this "operative ruling" term?
     
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    It’s an existing term with me. Considering you completely omit anything you don't agree with, it’s a reasonable term to apply to that part you want to omit.
     
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    Why isn't it EXCLUSIVELY used? It's only used when referring to the original Heller DC case, but not when referring to the Second Amendment.
     

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