NEW: The Dayton Shooter Was a Satanist, Leftist-Socialist, and Bernie/Warren Fan, Supported Antifa

A Satanist who had a chip on his shoulder about women wanting to rape and murder them,according to HIS writings and he chose to make 6 of his nine dead victims blacks.Now which party does that sound like?????

 

The same I would if they are just one of the other nearly 2,900,000 who die each year.

 

He went after them in the same speech when he called others good people. You can read it or listen yourself. And Obama never spoke a single word that wasn’t written or pre-approved by someone else. Hard to trust someone that rarely spoke a single word from his heart. So Trump is just lying if someone else writes it for him? That makes Obama the biggest liar in history

If Democrats cared about gun violence they would be condemning all the gang killing Chicago every week.

 

If I am in a bar, I wont have a sidearm. These shooters know this.

The Thousand Oaks shooting was at a sports bar, and despite it being filled with off duty cops-they were legally compelled to be unarmed.

 

Better that than be an unarmed sheeple, or calling the cops so they can show up in 20 minutes to draw a chalk line around your body.

Here is a guard who stopped an AR-15 shooter with a pistol: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-dec-11-na-shoot11-story.html

Had she not been there armed dozens of people would have died, I had a chance to meet her once.

 

They may be criminals, but they aren't stupid.

 

It's ironic as hell, but a basic principle of Leninism -- yes, Leninism -- is the right of nations to self-determination, the right of a people -- a 'nation' -- to be ruled by people who are like them.

Just what a 'nation' is, was the subject of a lot of strife among Marxists in those days, but basically, if you say you're a nation, you are. So, for example ,the Palestinians are a nation. And if you want to be ruled by people who look like you, have your culture, have your values -- well, why not?

Even if someone can show that, actually, you would be better off being ruled by someone else. Note that Lenin was for the right of self-determination not necessarily in favor of exercising it in all circumstances. And when he was in power, the issue became complicated... another story.

But it's actually a basic concept of the Old Left: if a people want to be ruled by those who are like them, so be it.

Of course, if you have two or more nations intermingled, it can get complicated -- and bloody.

 

I actually didn't read the whole post I was responding to when I posted that, so your criticism is valid. I will give you the fact that this guy is pretty far left.

His politics, however, seems to have nothing to do with why he killed those people. I doubt murdering his sister was part of any political plan. The police aren't treating it like terrorism.

I mean, they're both nuts, but one sounds like he was inspired by racist fears of Hispanic invaders, and the thinking on the other guy's motive is bullying.

 

The deplorables certainly didn't take it kindly. I doubt many would have voted for her anyway, but in a race as close as it was, it was doubtless a factor.

 

Use those bodies for a soapbox to launch your partisan smear! Disgustingly shameless

 

If you go to an insane asylum, and stir up the inmates, and something bad happens, isn't it partly your fault? Yes. Yes, it is. You should have known better.

Or, in simpler language, don't give loaded guns to kids. The kid is the one who shoots the gun, but YOU will be blamed too, because YOU should have known better. Trump was doing the same thing with his "invasion" bullshit, and now one of the nutjobs acted on it, and here we are AGAIN, with another white nationalist massacre.

But Trump had nothing to do with it. Sure. He only had to disown a racist chant by his supporters a week ago, but racism had nothing to do with this obviously. It's a mental health issue. Or video games.

 

Here's a good rule for political partisans:
Someone does something really horrible, and it turns out that he believed the voices told him to, and he also believed in XYZism.
If you're an opponent of XYZism, you point out his committment to this terrible ideology and how it obviously motivated him to do his terrible deeds. XYZism manifested itself in the voices - they were just the conduit for XYZis, and all other followers of XYZism have blood on their hands..

On the other hand, if you're a supporter of XYZism, you point out that it was the terrible voices that are at fault, that his belief in XYZism was just coincidental, in fact went against the true principles of XYZism, and in fact it's those who stand in the way of implementing the wonderful ideas of XYZism that keep in place a society that drives people mad and makes them listen to voices which then tell them to commit awful deeds.

Call the first response "Response Number 1" and the second, "Response Number 2".

Then the next time someone committes mass murder, as soon as the murderer's ideological leanings are discovered, or deduced, everyone can just post "Reponse Number 1" or "Reponse Number 2". Think of the time it will save.

Then the thread will be like the Comedian's Convention, where all members have a large book of numbered jokes, and contestants get up on the stage and say "Number 382!" ... and are judged by the classic line, "It's not what he says, it's the way that he says it!"

 

Actually Lenin is a non issue since when Joseph Stalin replaced him the 'dream' became a never ending nightmare. That's generally what happens. Leftists push forward with airy-fairy pie-in-the-sky Utopian schemes and then some total prick takes over and the reality of an ongoing nightmare begins.

The way that immigration more or less worked in the United States for decade after decade was that you came here LEGALLY and then learned English and swore allegiance to this nation and worked for a living so as not to be a burden to society. You held onto what native customs you valued but otherwise adopted the dominant culture of your new nation. That was the Great Melting Pot concept.

The collective Left has replaced that with multiculturalism wherein there is no need to fit in or adapt to the dominant culture because the culture and customs of whatever -- mostly -- crap-hole nation that you came from is deemed co-equal in value to the culture and traditions that landed men on the moon. So forth and so on. This is about hard core practicality . . . a concept that goes permanently out the window whenever the political Left manages to heavily influence or outright take over a nation. So . . . it . . . goes.

 

I think mass shootings are less about ideologies making people want to kill, and more about people wanting to find excuses (ideologies) to kill for.

Something else is wrong with them that isn't in their manifestos or social media histories.

 

And exactly WHAT is this post?????A partisan smear!!

 

I recall reading about a study of Jihadi's, which pointed out that few of them were very religious before becoming Islamist murderers. The religion seemed to be a justification for something that was there already.

 

Except these two cases are not similar and are not being treated the same. One is an act of terror, the other isn't. From what we know so far. Also, one is part of a pattern of white nationalist terrorism that Trump's FBI warned us about. The other is not.

Crazy person shooting up the place is news. Crazy person shooting up the place and leaving a manifesto directly quoting the President's anti-immigration "invasion" rhetoric...THAT is a whole nother story, and you're seeing it as such.

 

Response Number 1!

 

Eventually, even the most loquacious of us becomes exhausted with repetitive violence and the endless circular debate that follows. I'm getting too old for this ****. I'm mixing a martini and going to bed.

 

One of them was his sister and another a friend the rest were who ever happened to be present. AS for party sounds like Clinton...

 

We know the first two mass killings were by white supremacists influenced by Trump's hate speech. It is possible, in Betts' mind, he was retaliating against white supremacist extremism.

Or, he just wanted to kill his sister.

In any case, he was motivated by the first two mass murders. I don't believe in coincidence.

There are only two sources for the revelation about Betts, the Washington Times and Examiner. Both are conservative sources and both usually are Trump friendly. I am not saying the information is false, but it is strange that a Google search reveals only two sources for that gem and both are Trump friendly.

 

Have we forgotten about Gilroy and El Paso, seven days apart? Both of those shooters were white supremacists. Trump shared similar views in tweets and political rallies with both killers.

 

The FBI today said most of the shootings were by what were defined as 'white nationalists.'

They need to be put done. Whatever Dayton shooter represented, which was not antifa, needs to be put down as well.

 

Right wing defense #1.

Fact: one was white nationalist, the other was crazy anarchist and mentally disturbed.

 

You do not "know" that. You are assuming that is true.

Coincidences happen all the time. I ran into a high school class mate in a base exchange in a remote base in Japan. Neither of us knew the other was there. They happen.

Snopes believes it is true.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/