In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Under NY law he was committing a Felony, he was out on bail for doing the exact same thing.

    “Every time you see me you try to arrest me,” Garner told Officer Daniel Pantaleo....“I’m tired of it. It stops today.”

    For some reason he just couldn't figure out why. All he had to do was go quietly. Things don't always go as planned.

    Example: A skate boarder stands at the top of a long stairway. He thinks about riding the hand rail all the way to the bottom. He might make it, he might not. That's his decision alone. He could make it, he could fall and injure himself or he could die breaking his neck. His decision mostly determines the outcome. He could just walk away and be fine OR he could take a chance at an uncertain outcome. That's just what Garner did.
     
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    350lbs, asthma and heart problems, you can't figure out he need not be fighting with 3 or 4 cops? Besides he started the fight, all he had to do was be arrested and he'd be alive today, that was his choice.

    Example: A skate boarder stands at the top of a long stairway. He thinks about riding the hand rail all the way to the bottom. He might make it, he might not. That's his decision alone. He could make it, he could fall and injure himself or he could die breaking his neck. His decision mostly determines the outcome. He could just walk away and be fine OR he could take a chance at an uncertain outcome. That's just what Garner did.
     
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    You are again and again claiming you know best with this nonsense,.. while the experts have established what killed Garner, and it's the cop who did it. And nobody was making the cop use an illegal chokehold against Garner. At no point did anybody say that it had to be done. The cops were not in fear for their lives. At any moment the cop could have stopped this. He never did. He kept on going. And the experts point at him as the reason why he died. Case closed.
     
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    The only "case closed" is the law enforcement officer is not being charged for the death of Eric Garner, and no amount of complaining about such is going to change that fact. Cease the useless whining about the death of a career felon who was engaged in a felony offense at the time of his death, and move on.
     
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    Now you're making things up. You said the cops weren't in fear of their lives how do you know that, the guy weighed 350 lbs? The hold lasted for less than 15 seconds and was released, watch the video. Again all Garner had to do was comply and be arrested, he chose to fight things can go very wrong in that scenario as they did. He overexerted himself causing an asthma attack and eventually a heart attack.
     
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    The city paid almost 6 million in damages. The administrative judge presiding over the disciplinary hearing recommends the cop to be fired over this. That some kangaroo court is not going to prosecute him,... because 1 attorney appointed by 1 a politician says no.... yeah... such a strong argument of his innocence... while all experts do say the cop did it.
     
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    because nobody said they were.
     
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    Unless there is an intention on the part of yourself to murder the law enforcement officer responsible for the death of Eric Garner, the present discussion on the part of yourself is useless. Let the matter rest and move onto something else.
     
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    Unless there is an intention on the part of yourself to murder anybody who poses no thread to be executed in the streets over the most little of things, the present discussion on the part of yourself is useless. The guy is guilty, so say the experts. A judge says the guy needs to be fired. Obviously to protect the people against the lynching of civilians. The city paid almost 6 million bucks in damages. Money the people saved up by paying taxes.

    And all you got is 1 guy protecting the cop from prosecution. A guy appointed by a politician. what a weak defense.
     
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    Exactly what is being hoped for on the part of yourself in the continuance of this crusade?

    No charges are going to be brought against the officer in question for what occurred. Even if such charges were brought, the evidence of the criminal activity on the part of Eric Garner would be presented as evidence, and the officer in question would be all but guaranteed to be found not guilty of whatever charges would be against him.
     
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    Garner challenged the police to a physical altercation which led to his death.
     
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    This was not a federal tax case.
     
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    Are you an American? The who say that matters is that of the grand jury which said he was not guilty of crime. "Experts" someone rounds up have no say in the law or justice.

    A "citizen board" which is suppose to go after cops says he needs to be fired even though no crime was committed as say the grand jury and the DOJ. What makes them more expert?


    And they shouldn't have paid it and every one on the the city counsel who voted to do so should be voted out of office for unnecessary misuse of taxpayer dollars.
     
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    All specious arguments. It doesn't matter what these unnamed "experts" say. What matters is what the grand jury who listened to the evidentiary experts said and the conclusions they reach. Same with the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice which reviewed the expert testimony and expert evidence and found no violation of civil rights law. The officers did not have to be in fear of their lives to take him if they were in fear of their lives then they would have been justified in using lethal force. It was no a chokehold it was a legal takedown over shoulder and that the officers arm slipped was due to Garner resisting the arrest. It only lasted 7 seconds and Garner was breathing after words. That his bad health they came into play is not the responsibility of the officers who he choose to physically resist their lawful arrest. Case closed by the grand jury and DOJ, who you got?
     
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    I said that already. When I worked in cooperation with NYC authorities I still did not order anyone to be arrested and neither did they.
     
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    All they had to do was to issue a summons. There was no need to arrest him. Had they treated him like they do with whites who violate the law he would still be alive and NYC would have been spared having to pay $35 million.
     
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    Next time anything like this happens, blacks in NYC should do this:


    https://tinyurl.com/y6tnpf7g




    Let's have all forum right wingers agree since they are the ones who say there is no discrimination against blacks in society.
     
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    So that means they weren't? Or maybe they just didn't say. If you watch the video, the hold lasted about 15 seconds.
     
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    Of course there was, he committed a felony. You don't get summonses for felonies.
     
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    So what? The local merchants complained about the illegal activity harming their business and hurting the tax revenues for the cities. Garner had been warned multiple times and arrested before. The police did not answer the complaint going there wanting a physical struggle. Garner turned it from a simple arrest into a physical struggle. As a result of that decision he lost his life due to his medical condition.

    I don't know what you are missing here, the grand jury said not crime, the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division said no crime.
     
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    no crime: at a cost of $35 million to the city's taxpayers
     
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    am waiting for forum righties who believe in the 2d Amendment to happily endorse this in the ghetto as a preventive to avoid government abuse
     
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    Yes the city government acted stupidly.
     
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    They knew if they didn't pay the extortion some folks would riot and cost the city far more than that. They need to make it a federal crime to damage property in a riot or violent demonstration with a mandatory no parole 20 years in federal prison. The rioting would stop quickly.
     

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