Planned parenthood leaves title x family programs because of abortion rule

FoxHastings said: ↑
A fetus is viable at 23-24 weeks.

They cannot feel pain before that.

You make an exception for rape....WHY?

The abortion for rape is the exact same procedure and outcome as the abortion due to consensual sex.

That indicates you think women who have consensual sex should not have rights or should be punished for having consensual sex.

Sorry, but when one's right to one's own body is taken away, that is punishment.

When one is FORCED to gestate , that is punishment (even though there was no crime committed except if one considers consensual sex a crime).

Which what the law states now, ...viability is 23-24 weeks.

Do you HONESTLY think that normal mentally stable women "enjoy" 8 1/2 months of pregnancy for the "fun" of having an abortion?

They do NOT.

So the law isn't needed...Canada has no law and the women there do NOT flocks to clinics to have late term abortions for no reason.

ALL rape causes trauma.

AND some women may experience trauma and psychological events during and after an Unwanted pregnancy especially if it was FORCED on her...


Being FORCED to do something, whether it's rape by a criminal or being FORCED to gestate is traumatizing......and WRONG.



I can't get into the mind of anyone who NEEDS to FORCE women to do things against their will like have sex or gestate.

The abortion procedure and outcome is exactly the same whether it was for rape or consensual sex.

So what was your reason for objecting to abortion?????

 

What all of a sudden makes it a life after 8 weeks?

 

the right chooses abortion against the mothers will after birth if she is poor

 

Me or @vman12 who you also quoted?

 

same thing that makes a person that has been born, dead after they become brain-dead, yet the body still lives - there is more to being a person than a body or a bunch of cells in a pertri-dish

most agree after about 26 weeks is when life really begins, the creation of life starts earlier

 

How the hell do they CHOOSE abortion?

 

Which is what, brain activity?

 

YOU do NOT dictate OTHER'S morals....

Not caring about women dying is COLD and unfeeling and uncaring to MOST people...but you keep on being "moral" LOL!!!

 

how do you determine someone is brain-dead?

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

 

by making laws that allow hospitals to pull the plug on a baby without a parents consent and in fact in defiance of the mothers wishes

"Bush Criticized for End-of-Life Laws"

https://web.archive.org/web/20051219170102/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html

"But on March 15, a Texas law signed by then-Gov. George W. Bush (search) in 1999 allowed the hospital to go ahead and take Sun off the respirator in defiance of Wanda Hudson's wishes."

 

We're talking about the difference between pulling the plug on a healthy developing baby versus pulling the plug on a terminally ill one that has very little chance of recovering.

 

So can I kill a brain dead person?

 

Pull the plug on a baby who has no chance of recovery, right?

 

It is classified as an embryo and not a fetus at this point; the heart, brain, nervous system, spine, and reproductive organs have not been formed.
Feels no pain and has no neural activity.

 

You cannot, the family can.
The same should apply to pregnancy.

 

There must come a point where the life of the fetus is considered, if a woman has not aborted before that point then it is her own fault and not punishment. People just disagree when that point is.

I do not believe elective abortion should be allowed after this point.

I have never stated they enjoy the pregnancy.

I agree

I never said I objected to abortion, I do not agree with it after a certain point and once the fetus is viable it shouldn’t be allowed but everything in between should be left up to the woman and her doctor.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Sorry, but when one's right to one's own body is taken away, that is punishment.

When one is FORCED to gestate , that is punishment (even though there was no crime committed except if one considers consensual sex a crime).

That does not address my statement.

I am talking about banning abortion, at any stage.

Mentally stable women do NOT NOT NOT ask for abortions after viability.

THEY AREN'T.

Do you HONESTLY think that normal mentally stable women "enjoy" 8 1/2 months of pregnancy for the "fun" of having an abortion?

They do NOT.

So the law isn't needed...Canada has no law and the women there do NOT flocks to clinics to have late term abortions for no reason.

BOY! Was that ever a "duck and weave"....great way to avoid the ISSUE being discussed. ...the POINT.

Once AGAIN, it isn't done after viability....and NO law is needed for that.

 

I’m pretty much in agreement - the excepting being it shouldn’t be banned at any stage as I believe it should be after the fetus is viable — so I’m not sure what the point is?

 

no we are not, were talking about condition were the baby is not gonna make it either way, like the brain developing outside the fetus

 

if you are the next of kin, yes, you can pull the plug on a brain-dead person as their life force has already left the body, all that is left is the vessel that they once occupied

 

correct, that should be the parents choice, not the governments

 

Contraception doesn't cost much.

 

Well if they think life begins at conception then it's not false.

 

life doesn't begin in a petri-dish, the creation of life starts there

like a cake starts in a mixing bowl, but is not a cake until it's done baking

 

How does making people pay for their own abortions make people die?