Another mass shooting deserves a better answer.

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  1. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    my 10/22 is far and away my favorite firearm to shoot, cheap, reliable, accurate, never harmed anything with it except an empty soda can and much, repeat MUCH less dangerous than a 45 handgun that can put a big hole in a person and maybe the one behind them.
    Ironically the 45 will be ignored by the gun banners.
     
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  2. Doug1943

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    While I have the attention of those interested in such things ....apparently, you can get your own AR15 for $399.00.

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    Apparently these people also offer good stuff.
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    I would acquired the means of neighbor hood defense now, rathat than waiting until they start confiscating firearms. An AR15 for everyone in your household over 14, maybe an extra for a neighbor, a thousand founds of ammo, a dozen magazines, a laser sight,and a flak vest. The you're prepared just in case.
     
  3. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That won't stop ****. It takes about 3 seconds to change out a magazine.
     
  4. icehole3

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    Eric Holder: "We need to do this every day of the week, and just really brainwash people

     
  5. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Is that what you think?

    You can make an ak out of a shovel blade ffs.

    There have been rebuttals aplenty, you're just incapable of recognizing them.
     
  6. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    They're simple machines you can build easily. Restricting the law abiding is not going to stop a criminal.

    Please try to learn something.
     
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    *shrug* well if you don't know something, then why pretend that you do?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    When the 2nd A was written, most Americans needed a gun to help feed their family or to defend them from the potential threat of Native Americans living near them. Neither of those conditions remain today.
     
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    Then why didn't it mention either in the amendment?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    It takes longer than simply pulling a trigger with a magazine holding 100 rounds. That could save a life or two.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I am fairly well educated. Once you raise your guns against your government, tyrannical or not, you're committing treason, & your rights go out the window along with your 2nd Amendment rights, not to mention probably your life. Somehow your post isn't very convincing in its benefits for me or anyone else.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    That's partly true & partly not true. Jefferson had a lifetime to persuade himself he should free his slaves, but the only ones he freed, even upon his death, was the one he'd held in personal bondage as his mistress for about 5 decades, & his own children whom he sired with her during that same time period. The rest of his slaves were sold off after his death to help pay his extreme indebtedness. In my youth, Jefferson was one of my greatest heroes, but after maturing & learning how he enslaved his own children, my enthusiasm for him waned somewhat, though I still regard him as a great man.
     
  13. Heartburn

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    If it ever came to that we would be fighting for our way of life as well as our lives. Much as our Founders were.
     
  14. Zorro

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    Crap find a mirror.

    First you claim to be well-educated. Then you claim that "treason" is resisting tyranny. Treason is waging war against the United States. WE THE PEOPLE are the United States, the government is only legitimate if it represents WE THE PEOPLE. It is your envisioned tyrannical government that would be at war with the US, not The People resisting their illegal arrogation of power.

    You are like Simba, you have forgotten who you are.
     
  15. Zorro

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    We sit in judgement over the men who formed this nation and those that allowed slavery to continue for 75 years before the Republican Party formed and stamped it out for good.

    While the virtue signalers whine and moan about the first 75 years of our nation do they say a word about the wholesale rape that occurs in prisons today? Where the government controls every aspect of these men's lives, more men are raped each day in the US than women.

    And what about our crooked Justice system with crooked prosecutors who according to a recent filing by Flynn's legal team have 200 THOUSAND men imprisoned who were forced to confess to crimes they did not commit.

    It's long past time that we quit judging others in history and look for these obvious injustices today, and like the Republicans did with slavery, do whatever it takes to end it.

    As for ending shootings:

    i) Increase mandatory sentencing for gun felons: Promptly re-incarcerate violent felons violating their probation by owning firearms. Homicide in this country plummeted by over 60 percent precisely over the same period that gun ownership soared. Why? Thanks to Reagan’s Armed Career Criminal Act (ACCA), we actually deterred violent criminals with stiff mandatory sentencing. Yet, they were only mandatory from 1987 to 2005. Following the Booker decision of the Supreme Court, they have just been advisory. Take bad guys who use guns (or other weapons) off the streets, not guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

    ii) Fix court loophole allowing violent felons back on the streets: In Johnson v. U.S, the Supreme Court ruled that the “crime of violence” provision in the ACCA is unconstitutionally vague. It is simply astounding that Congress has not tried to fix this law, especially in light of Democrats supporting gun control. Now, armed robbers pointing short-barreled shotguns at store clerks avoid tougher sentencing at the same time liberals claim they want to “do something!” about gun violence.

    iii) Allow good guys to carry everywhere: While we seek to deter bad guys with guns, peaceful citizens who undergo a background check and licensing to be able to carry in all 50 states with such a license, just as with driver’s licenses. No state has the right to deny an unambiguous constitutional right, and one of the reasons we have a federal government is to protect those rights when states infringe on them.

    iv) Fast-track death penalty for mass murderers: It now takes over 20 years to execute someone, essentially rendering capital punishment worthless as a deterrent. Attackers who don’t kill themselves as they attack or are arrested are just the folks that would be deterred by a swift death penalty.

    v) Declare war on sanctuary cities: The only thing worse than letting career criminals back on the streets is letting other countries’ career criminals remain in the country.. Nearly every day we see the endless murders, sex assaults, and drunk driving incidents by illegal aliens who are allowed to remain in this country, often after committing other crimes, thanks to sanctuary cities. By definition, these are the most avoidable deaths imaginable. If Democrats are demanding to do something!, we should begin with getting rid of other countries’ criminals by immediately punishing sanctuary cities and by allowing citizens to sue sanctuary officials who release criminal aliens. Congress should also create a fund for victims of illegal aliens out of the money saved from denying grant programs to sanctuaries.

    Conservative Review, Daniel Horowitz
     
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    I think I saw one of the posters here that goes to Walmart. Walmart is caving to the authoritarian pressures of the left and now will not sell ammunition to women.

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    In a rebellion the winners get to define treason.
     
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    Our Constitution defines treason. It's a charge that was so misused in the Monarchy that we declared independence from, that essentially it made the death penalty handy for anyone they wanted silenced, therefore, it is the ONLY crime spelled out in the US Constitution and that definition is the LAW in every inch of ground governed by the United States.
     
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    I have guns that would do that. Hell my 10/22 can do that.
     
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    If magazine capacity had a discernable effect on the number of victims how come the VT shooting amassed the most victims, using 10 round magazines?

    Serious question.
     
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    Simply pulling the trigger means you are not going to hit **** and waste 100 rounds.
     
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    Not if the rebels win.
     
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    I certainly don't want anyone injured or killed over possession of a personal gun, but we must find national agreement on a path of response to the killing crisis we're all living under. We're always hearing about how "law-abiding" the average gun owner is. I accept that commentary as accurate. I hope that trust is not misplaced.
     
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    Liberals want to ban all semi-auto firearms. The honest ones will admit it.

    For some reason they do not want to talk too much about repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    The Dayton shooter hit 21 people in 30 seconds. If it had taken him 3 seconds to change a magazine after every 5 shots, he'd have had to change that magazine four times. If each change took him 3 seconds, he would have been unable to shoot for a full 12 of the total 30 seconds. Doing the math, 12=40% of 30 seconds shooting time, so 40% of the victims could have been saved by that delay. So, 40% of 21 = 8.4 people, statistically. So, having magazines with a maximum of 5 rounds per magazine, would have saved 8.4 lives in Dayton. Saving 8 lives in one incident--or 40% of all the victims in ANY incident, makes gun regulation worth while to me. I hope you agree.
     

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