The world needs Trump out

Very True ! But it is all the people and politicians that have allowed deregulation since the mid 80s that has the ultimate responsibility. The very smart marketing people at the 50+ neocon right wing think tanks played on people's gullible minds. Using words like Freedom, Liberty, etc. to describe their cause. Their cause was always what the millionaire, now billionaire who funded them wanted it to be.

They said : Why pay a UNION to protect your job, you can keep those union dues in your pocket and thus have more money. If you work hard, do a good job, the corporation will reward you. Fast forward 35 years and it was all a LIE. I knew it then, anyone smart enough knew it. Greed is the big play. Trump is filled with it, from money to ego, and will corrupt the entire system. If he was to win another 4 years, he will change that many more laws to help himself and billionaires.

It is as if people think today you can make it to the top. forget it, and you will get no real pay at any job. Bio., and medical is consolidating quickly and within 10 years all medical will be owned by 500 families, just like wallstreet. Americans are fools, but what is much worse is the people that post on this site and others as a JOB to protect these people. Can you imagine selling out every friend, family member to work at a think tank full of lies and propaganda. All for 100K a year and thus you eat a little better than your neighbor. Scummy white guys. Guys I knew that had balls years ago, then got fat and lazy.

 

Definition of socialism:

Socialism exists nowhere on this planet (except perhaps North Korea) where the "means of production" are owned by the state. However, certain "means of services" are indeed performed by the state. As described here:

Yes, a free post-secondary education is available in most Social Democracies. And, so what?

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Moving right along ...

 

Collectivism, over individualism, is a failure.

Proof: most people who advocate for collectivism are the losers who failed at sustaining the lifestyle they feel entitled to.

This forum is an perfect example.

Collectivism is failure.

 

Quite right, and that's about all that you've got right. Kennedy started the downtrend, even if (at the time) it was Johnson who signed the bill.

I have said many times on this forum that the downturn in upper-income taxation (that started with Kennedy) has led to the monumental Income Disparity in America today. (This is the IMPORTANT PART THAT WAS ACCENTUATED IN 20 YEARS LATER BY RECKLESS RONNIE RAYGUN!


Billy-boy Clinton raised them but then Bushy-boy brought them back down. It's games like that our political-parties LOVE TO PLAY ...

 

Socialism has a short half-life because Socialists are intolerant of viewpoints they don't share. The end result of Socialism looks something like this:



This is why Trump won the Cuban-American vote. They didn't appreciate Clinton/Obama supporting the genocidal maniacs, formerly Socialists, in Cuba.

Maoism, Stalinism were all built on intolerance of opposing views about their big government ownership and solutions to every problem. Socialism is the starting point for genocide. We already see a microcosm of the intolerance common to all Socialists in social media. It's likely because Socialism is such a bad idea that it has never worked anywhere. Genocide is required to silence the opposition.

 

Very few people want true collectivism they just want a more even playing field.

Kind of like the serfs vs the aristocracy

And many of the people that believe in strong safety nets and “welfare” are at the top of the game.

When you cannot debate the message attack the individuals, right?

 

So very True and why the RICH (super rich) started at Reagan with the faux right wing think tanks. It is a lot cheaper to pay 50M in right wing propaganda to lie and cheat the working class than it is to pay 500M in taxes which would benefit the working class.
Amazing that so many can continue their hide away lives and cheating the country. I guess it is even more unbelievable that people buy into that nonsense and the lies.

 

Sound like you are paid by one of the right wing think tanks.

Most workers do work hard, they dont get to keep the fruits of their labor. There in leis the problem, they kept it from 40s - 80s. They dont now as the rich keep 90%

 

They want something for nothing, because they perceive others as "having too much". What exactly is unequal, other than outcomes?

Victimization.

Anybody who views their position as a serf and remains there expects others to lift their situation to the point they find acceptable... that's easier than lifting themselves.

I believe in safety nets. Safety nets are not and were not intended to improve somebodies position.

Its truth.

Individualism is the foundational concept that lifted the US to the world's largest powerhouse. Ones degree of support for collectivism over individualism is directly tied to their level of success. I would bet allot of money on that.

 

Bingo!

We twerps put up with it because we keep electing Replicants into the White House.

Well, this last time we didn't but the Electoral College worked its magic to get the LOSER OF THE POPULAR-VOTE elected.

What an innovative country we are when it comes to voting. Like with Gerrymandering and the Electoral College - both intended to manipulate the popular-vote by political-parties. (And both go back two centuries to around 1812!)

 

Boorish BS.

Isn't there a football game on somewhere that you wanna watch ...

 

You would not recognize "collectivism" if it knocked at your door.

Any country is "collective" in the sense that when there is mortal danger from abroad, we collectively rise to the challenge! Our people go off to die regardless!

But when it comes to sharing the Wealth THAT WE ALL GENERATE, well that's an altogether different proposition! May the most clever person win!!!

 

How do the rich keep 90% of others labor?

 

What worked may not always work.

What do you believe the outcome of individualism will be once the transportation sector, which is ~10% of the workforce, is largely eliminated due to automation? The same can be said for retail at ~12%. Several institutes have put the risk around a quarter of all jobs that are at a high level of becoming automated.

Will individualism work then?

 

False, the very rich very rarely go off to war.
See trump for an example.

 

Nope, we aren't losers - we are people who care for one another in a collective-sense. (And no, we are not "socialists" per se.)

People like you are so selfish, you cannot even conceive of such a sentiment!

Definition of collectivism:

When the shat-hits-the-fan it's amazing how opportunists like you become "collective" - but you (plural) make sure it's not YOUR KIDS that get killed.

What happens is that some poor guy/gal sees that the Army will pay their postsecondary schooling fees so they sign up* - and they come home in a body-bag to be buried by their parents ... !

*Yet another reason why postsecondary education should be free, gratis and for nothing!

 

Repeat it again. I didn't get your reasoning.

Because there is none ...

 

Only you are laughing.

If you cannot understand what I said, it's due to stubborn ignorance. I got that stuff posted straight out of definitive sources.

Which says a lot more for its verity than your pathetic diatribe in response ...

 

Most American workers do work hard for wages suppressed because Democrats wanted to import cheap labor from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Mexico. Rich Democrats need their landscapers, maids and cooks. To heck with the American working class who compete with labor from the 3rd world for their livelihood. After paying illegal aliens cash under the table, they fight for minimum wage increases for Americans so teens and minorities remained unemployed.

Trump has been a gift to American workers who were targeted for poverty by Democrats.

 

You cannot know that till you try.

What people like you need is another Watts Riot just down the street. That's the only way dimwits learn their lessons-of-life:

 

*********-'n-moan about illegals taking other people's jobs when unemployment is at an historical lowest since the Great Recession in 2008? The rate has not been this low since 2000!

What planet do you live on ... ?

 

They did appear to be 'up to it.' Gabbard (the only one likely to take any votes from Trump) was climbing in the poles after soaking Harris for hypocrisy and corruption. But Google said no, and the dems don't seem to mind.

 

Automation has been taking place is the car-industry started painting cars with the technology in the 1980s. Where have you been?

Automation now all over the place. The Total Number now working in Industrial Jobs is around 12% of the entire workforce. All the rest are working either for the government or in Service Industry jobs.

Nowadays, one needs a postsecondary level degree* to obtain a well-paying job. (That is: vocational, associate, bachelor; masters, doctorate.)

Which is why the US should do what Europe started after WW2 - free or nearly free postsecondary education! I live in Europe. I sent my kids here through to a bachelor level degree for the equivalent of $800 per year plus room&board.

And that has nothing whatsoever to do with "individualism". It does have EVERYTHING to do with getting the credentials necessary to find a decent job.

You may not have noticed but the world is leaving the Industrial Age and entering the Information Age. We'll not be "making things" in large factories without abundant automation doing the work - we just cant compete anymore. (Because the AMERICAN PUBLIC will always buy the cheaper of two similar products - and more often than not those products will be coming from either Mexico or the Far East!).

The Services Industries in the US now provide 80% of all jobs. And for the most part, such jobs require an advanced post-secondary degree of some kind ...

 

I would say that the corporate and business tax reductions are what caused the growth and increased profits allowing them to pay more tax irregardless of the tax deduction. Capital gains were not lowered this time and still the economy boomed and businesses did well.

It makes sense that reduced tax other than the capital gains creates growth because capital gains are paid when you take out investments, not when you put them in.

A high capital gains would discourage short term investments and keep people invested longer. Increasing capital gains to the normal income tax level would not discourage people from investing.

Having the capital gains tax be lower than the income tax is just a sneaky way to give tax cuts specifically to the rich. It is a lower tax than many middle income earners pay. Only the rich can afford to put large sums of money into stocks.