Marchers ask Trump to ‘liberate’ Hong Kong

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    true freedom is not free. VPN is very cheap in china, anyone who can afford PC/cellpone can get one, there are also free ones too. + alot chinese has disposable income to travel aboard these days.

    there is a kind of hidden deal between CCP and its citizen, as long as CCP provide jobs/economy growth, most ppl will tolerate the government.
     
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    But then there is this:

    https://www.vpndada.com/is-it-illegal-to-use-vpn-in-china/

    Sure.
     
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    alot things are illegal in china but no enforcement, its same with VPN, you can see tons chinese poster on youtube, and ppl who make video in china then upload via VPN. also business use VPN, so its too much of a task/cost to separate individual vs business VPN user. hence police just ignorant it most of time.
     
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    One little problem...

    When Obama entered the White House 17% of the navy's ships couldn't put to sea and fight.

    When Obama left the White House in 2017 over 50% of the Navy's ships couldn't put to sea and fight.
    1/2 of the Navy's and Marine Corps fixed wing aircraft couldn't fly.

    Note:
    (As we saw last week, a Carrier Strike Group put to sea for it's six month cruise without it's aircraft carrier.)
    Escorts Deploy Without USS Harry S. Truman as East Coast Carrier Shortage Persists
    https://news.usni.org/2019/09/12/es...ruman-as-east-coast-carrier-shortage-persists


    Only 3 of the Army's 33 combat brigades were combat capable by the time Obama left the White House.

    1/2 of the Marines FMF were not deployable.

    Under Obama an entire Marine rifle regiment (9th Marines) disappeared, struck from the Marine Corps "Order of Battle."

    It's not about how much money you spend on the military but how the money is spent.
    Spending money of pulling our troops from training for war and ordering them to attend PC social engineering diversity and sensitivity classes doesn't prepare them for fighting a war.
     
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    ''33 combat brigades'' ''1/2 of the Marines''

    If true, then disband the other 30 brigades and the other half of the Marines since they were not needed - this would save taxpayers an extraordinary amount of money and be in line with the wishes of our Founders who demanded that we refrain from foreign entanglements. After all, we don't our military to engage in politically correct international social engineering.
     
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    Every month every unit in the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force are rated for being combat capable from 1 to 5, five being 100% combat capable.

    When I served not having a 5 combat capable score wasn't acceptable.
    A gun that didn't pop or a dead battery on a 6X could get you a 4 rating.

    Aviation units and ships are rated a little differently.

    When you hit a 3 rating you weren't combat capable and deployable and someone was going to get fired.

    I suppose having a woman in a grunt company who can't pull her own weight can have a significant impact of the combat readiness rating.
     
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    The USA wastes more money on the corporate welfare queens of the military industrial complex than the combined defense spending of many countries. They do not waste their resources in corporate welfarism like the USA does. Best thing to do is to disband these needless wastes and to stop fomenting wars overseas.
     
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    The American industrial complex provides most of the R&D for most of the world's militaries including the Chi-Coms PLA.

    Time for NATO and are other allies in the Western Pacific to start paying down their tab.
     
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    These countries do not see any need for such welfarism. But if by this you mean that we should withdraw military from Europe than we are at least in partial accord.

    Just imagine if someone hosted a party, told everyone to bring their own food or drink, and then the host relaxes on a hammock while ordering you to do his lawn, paint the walls, fix the garage, and sweep the floors. You and everyone else would tell him to go F off in less than a minute. I've been saying for years that the USA has no business being in Europe, fighting its battles, and then paying for the year round vacations those people enjoy at our expense. It is utterly stupid to keep doing all this crap.
     
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    When President Reagan won the Cold War and while President Bush (41) and Goberchave were working out the final details and promises that were made to officially end the Cold War, the vast majority of Americans were saying finally after 46 years of the U.S. military occupying Germany we can now bring our troops home.

    NATO mission was to kill communist in particular Soviets.

    With no more communist Soviet Union, NATO no longer had a purpose or a mission.

    But the Clinton administration saw things differently and promises were broken.

    One promise broken was that NATO would remain inside its current borders with no new members joining NATO.

    The left in America were just really butthurt that the Soviets lost the Cold War and wanted to start a new Cold War with Russia.

    The military industrial complex saw $$$$ that by expanding the size of NATO who had no mission or purpose that the new former Soviet bloc countries like Poland who would join NATO would be required to replace their AK-47's, Soviet tanks and artillery and Mig fighters with American, British, German or French weapons.
     
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    when they realize America wont save them then they may have to prepare to be out in gulags
     
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    IF.... the ruling elite in China are foolish enough to make an all out attack on the USA petrodollar and the worldwide Derivatives market......... then........ this appeal could perhaps turn out to be at least somewhat useful????

    FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
    THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...
     
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    All that R&D and the F-35 is a lemon. This plane was supposed to be ready nearly a decade ago and it was grounded last time I checked .. and plagued with problems.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-still-struggling-with-more-than-dozen-big-problems-2019-6

    Not to mention that if the F-35 ever gets into a Dog Fight - its toast. Described by the designer of the F-16 and A-10 as a Turkey - "cant climb, cant turn, cant flee" "A plane born of an exceptionally dumb piece of PR spin" "its inherently a terrible airplane - because it is an airplane built for a dumb idea" "astonishingly unmaneuverable"

    So what the salesmen try to claim is that the F35 will not have to dogfight because of Stealth "The first thing to know about Stealth is that its a scam - it simply doesn't work"

     
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    China has so many restrictive laws, a lot of them routinely go unenforced, but they're there for government authorities to use against citizens if they want.

    I was told the Chinese government doesn't really care about any crime so much, unless it has even the slightest bit to do with threatening the Party's hold on political power. They call it "threatening stability" or "social harmony". So if you sell Black market goods, not on the government's top list of concerns, but if you vigorously advocate democracy, the authorities will come after you with some obscure law.
     
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    President Trump might just pull this off yet??????????????????

    With the help of G-d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/45/1/s_724001



    Isaiah 45:13 "I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts."

    Can you name another President who works for free....... and donate his salary and far, far, far more than his salary to charities?


    The newly formed Jerusalem Sanhedrin has never corresponded with a USA President like they are doing with President Donald J. Trump..... including warning him about errors that he could be convinced to make?????


    Open Letter From Sanhedrin to Donald Trump Concerning Dividing the Land of Israel and Jerusalem
    By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz March 3, 2019 , 1:17 pm
     
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    So, solve the problem, embrace capitalism and reject statism.
     
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    Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are socialist. Yet, we have wasted $2 trillion on both wars. Further, the USA defends Israel and wastes money on its defense. Ironically, Israel was created by socialists and still has a socialist economy, including health care which is financed by American dollars.
     
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    Oh for sure. Let's send our sons and daughters to fight Hong Kong's war for them. The nerve.
    Note to people of Hong Kong. Our sons and daughters will not be cannon fodder for you.
     
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    It was the far right that created the Bolshevik state as everyone knows. While the left called for a peace dividend, it was the right who saw more opportunities for war profits.

    Yes, it was true that the USA assured NATO would not expand - the pledge had been made by Bush in an agreement negotiated by James Baker. With the breakup of the Warsaw Pact and dissolution of the Soviet Union, several nations (notably the Baltic states and the confederation formerly known as Yugoslavia) eagerly expressed their interest in joining NATO. That is understandable considering those nation's fears of Russian imperialism. Note how Russia made incursions into Crimea, Georgia, and the Caucasus but did not dare march into the Baltic states, as an example.

    You are correct when you say Clinton wanted an expansion of NATO. But he was not president when GHW Bush (who signed that pledge above in 1990) started his Desert Storm invasion in February, 1991. Bush was the one who brought in NATO troops to Saudi Arabia and had a military buildup of 700,000 troops (over 500,000 of these were American). Thus, it was he, not Clinton, who changed the role of that organization from an anti-Soviet alliance into a politically oriented international police force. I opposed that imperialist action and supported the American anti war committee in Washington DC at that time while Bush with his fellow warmongers on the far right proclaimed himself a hero.

    So yes, as you say, the USA did break a promise made in 1990. But history clearly shows it was right wing hero GHW Bush who broke it one year later.
     
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    The first Gulf war (Desert Storm) that was the Reagan military that Bush (41) inherited and went to war with.
    Saudi Arabia paid the USA to go to war.

    Re: NATO expansion

    Yes, the military industrial complex just not in the USA but Germany, UK and France saw $$$ by expanding NATO.

    Any former Soviet bloc nation like Poland who would join NATO would be requires to replace their AK-47's with rifles chambered for the 5.56X45 round and replace their Soviet made tanks, artillery and aircraft with either American, UK, German or French weapons.

    But it was President Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright who convinced Clinton to restart the Cold War and expand NATO.

    Sec of State Albright is a hyphenated-America who has a big chip on her shoulder and she hates all Russians be they commies or not. She just hates Russians.
     
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    The first Gulf war (Desert Storm) that was the Reagan military that Bush (41) inherited and went to war with.
    Saudi Arabia paid the USA to go to war.



    Reagan and Bush = Republicans

    There's a certain irony here lost on you: it was Bush who made the pledge that you wrote about above. But it was him who broke that pledge.




    Madeleine Albright


    Albright did expand NATO's professed role and increased USA involvement in international conflict starting in 1993. But, as history shows, this was only AFTER GHW Bush did so in Iraq-Kuwait in 1991.
     
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    Re: Reagan & G.H. Bush:

    Reagan was forced by the RNC to run Bush as his VP during the 1980 election.

    Reagan didn't trust Bush because Bush was one of the original members of the Trilateral Commission and Reagan didn't like the Trilateral Commission or globalization. Reagan was a nationalist.

    In the end Reagan liked Bush.
     
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    Reagan was president of the world Federalist League.
     
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    I said Statist, not Socialist. Socialism is just one form of Statism, there are others.
     
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    But you did say "embrace capitalism" while Israel was founded by socialists, remains socialist, and has universal health care that is financed by American taxpayers while poor Americans die due to lack of health care.
     

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