WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

By the way, since we are talking about Trump and Ukraine I would like to point out something that quite a few people didn’t know.
In 2016 Russia was attempting to help Trump, and everyone knows about it. I do not think they made a critical impact, but it doesn’t change that fact that Russians actively trying to help via social media and Wikileaks, which I consider to pretty much become a part of Russian spy network.
What many don’t realize is that ukraine was rooting for Hillary, so they released info about Trumps campaign manager and some of his associates. Ukraine was actively trying to help Hillary’s campaign.
In a way, this makes the US elections a Ukraine-Russia proxy war.

Having said all of that, Trump seemed to have helped Ukraine a lot more than Obama did, so maybe they really did pick a wrong side back in 2016. Or maybe they were pressured by Biden/Obama since they saw they could get away with a lot of things in Ukraine.

 

Wrong.

"A federal appeals court in New York on Friday revived a lawsuit alleging that President Trump is illegally profiting from his hotels and restaurants in New York and Washington in violation of the Constitution’s anti-corruption, or emoluments, clauses.

In a two-to-one decision, a panel of judges for the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit found that a lower court had wrongly dismissed the lawsuit accusing Mr. Trump of violating the Constitution’s bans on accepting financial benefits from foreign or state governments."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/us/politics/trump-emoluments-lawsuit.html

 

Again We the People are being used to buy another dynamic Lie.
Or this weeks Trump Scandal.
When in reality it's a Joe Biden Scandal.We have Biden Confessing
how he Both Obstructed Justice in the Ukraine and also Bribed
taking away U.S. funds if a certain Prosecutor was Not Fired.
That is Criminal.A form of Political Extortion.We have Biden nailed to goods.
Which also explains why hardly any Mainstream media source is willing
to talk or write about this Biden and Son { Hunter } Scandal.
Because the MSM is attempting to run interference by turning the tables
into a President Trump scandal.A typical ploy by the MSM in concert with
a dirty dog Party { Democrat Party }.
Joe Biden Interferred in a Foreign Investigation or Obvious international
Obstruction of Justice.Wheras Trump offered Nothing { quid pro quo }
to the Ukrainians.Just to look into.
Whereas " Lunch bucket " Joe threatened to Withhold One Billion in U.S. assistance
to Ukraine { Confessed to giving them just 6 hrs. } if they did not
Fire a Ukrainian General Prosecutor who was Investigating a Hunter Biden
Ukrainian natural gas firm { company } who Hunter received a substantial
Monthly salary { $ 50,ooo - $ 166,ooo } a month.
Nothing but Crickets on This Huge Biden Scandal.
Proof Positive to my years old MSM claim :
You are being Stooged

 

Colluding with our allies to defeat Putin really has the more flexible party bent out of shape

 

So you're saying you didn't actually want an answer to your question. But rather you just wanted to rant.

Got it!

 

Wrong or merely a typical reversal of a previous court decision.
Given it's New York state could explain a lot.
The city who allowed Carlos Danger { Anthony Weiner } to
file as a Mayoral candidate even though he was ousted from Congress.
And eventually jailed.Meaning one can be a scumbag,get ousted from
Congress and then run for Mayor of N.Y.city before they serve time.
So tell us all about how well-served Joe Public is regarding decisions
handed down in some Super Liberal Goofy city run by virtual sell-outs.
Including many a Judge.

 

Criminal was the intel community continuing to spy on the president and unmasking the participants in the conversation. It confirms the claims Trump made about being spied on going back to the campaign. I'm with Phil Mudd. Who in hell do these people think they are spying on the CIC?

They should get the Snowden treatment. At least he blew the whistle on criminal activity and criminal perjury.

 

That's fine. But the Constitution ascribes that power to Congress. Not to the President. And certainly not for personal political gain. The fact that Trump is illegally withholding a whistleblowers report from Congress that the IG (appointed by Trump) deemed credible, serious and urgent is clear indication that the motivation is political.

 

I take political intent of Trump over outright criminal intent of Biden when he threatened Ukraine with taxpayers aid over his sons criminal investigation.

 

You can only begin at the beginning.

Unless you're arguing that criticism because of the many idiotic, but not illegal, things the Trump family has done, exempts him from being criticized for the illegal things they have done.... I don't understand the purpose of your post.

 

That officially makes you part of the cult of Trumpery.

 

Irrelevant. If Biden did something illegal, lock him up. Not the topic of this thread.

And, in doing so, committed multiple crimes. That is the topic of this thread.

You need to get your ethical priorities straight....

Using public funds for personal political gain: against the law
Derailing a thread: against forum rules.

 

I'm saying you're not capable of providing one.

 

Well that fell apart faster than a Chinese motorcycle.

 

Please prove that Trump committed any crimes with his dealings with Ukraine.
If anything, he has absolute right to demand from another country materials related to potential criminal activity from prior administration.

 

"The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/...-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

IOW, the US (Biden being the US front man on the issue) was part of a group of western nations who were calling for Shokin to be dismissed.

 

Not when his motivation for doing so was to advantage himself against a political rival!! If you can't see how this is a gross abuse of power and as such an impeachable offense..........you might be a Trump cult member.

 

So, let’s say, hypothetically, a candidate A commits murder.
Does it mean that candidate B commits a crime by calling for investigation of candidate A’s crime?

You make no sense. And if being logical means being part of Trumps cult then that’s how you will lose elections in 2020.

 

In this case the person trying to bride the leader of Ukraine in to investigating a political rival isn't a candidate, he is the prez. A prez who was using the power he wields to withhold critical aid from Ukraine for personal reasons..........not a candidate who does not possess such power.

 

So, if Biden, hypothetically, committed murder in another country then Trump would commit crime by demanding information about the murder from that country by holding the aid?
Did I get that right?

 

Trying to create a hypothetical scenario (which you are doing to avoid dealing with the real life circumstances of this matter) to justify an abuse of power by the POTUS just isn't working for you.

 

When I see something about this somewhere other than this forum, I'll consider it. All I've seen are rumors.

 

Probably wouldn't send his private attorney over to investigate. He'd call the State Department, DoJ and the CIA and ask them to look into it. Then, we'd contact the government of the other country via our embassy. On the other hand, there is nothing that would prevent the President from calling the leader of the other country direct. But, that leaves open the question of what was the whistleblower complaining about and why is the administration blocking that complaint from reaching Congress? The administration's position on this is either to actually cover-up something they don't want known OR to expand the power of the Presidency, by defying the law, and seeing if they can get away with it...or, of course, both.

 

The hypothetical scenario illustrates perfectly the fact that you prefer to side with someone who really did commit a crime and instead of looking to investigate/prosecute you claim that it is Trump who committed a crime here.

That’s why I’m not voting for Dems this election cycle. You people completely lost it.

 

No question that the motivation is political, just like the desire of Congress to have the document. In his shoes I would deny Congress everything I could.