End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

The thing you and your faction refuse to 'get' is that in a truly egalitarian, COLOR-BLIND society, which Dr. King pleaded for, there is no such thing as government-mandated "pie-sharing", "diversity", "racial quotas", or forced "inclusiveness". There is only EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW! And nothing else MATTERS!

When any society endorses, promotes, or even tolerates one race being advanced over others purely on the basis OF race, then that society IS racist, and will remain so until it gets rid of it!

 

BRAVO!

 

And what you don’t get is that diversity is very important and what you don’t get is that we are not a color blind society. You can pretend it is but it isn’t ..Martin Luther King would have no problem with what he sees today as far as education etc. When you did not have equality under the law for hundreds of years , there has to be some form of catching up.You act as though white people are being treated the way women and minorities were treated and that is being denied admission to The best networking colleges and employment.White men still have the same opportunities But now they have to share of the pie when they didn’t have to for hundreds of years

 

Your phraseology ("the playing field must be level") is quite similar to my own words regarding "the crippling effects of slavery, followed by second-class citizenship."

I believe quite deeply that slavery and second-class citizenship have had a profound effect here. So there is really no need to argue this point.

I just believe that this should not go on ad infinitum.

 

When, exactly, did I broaden this into a discussion of "women"?

Oh, I know: I never did!

And your proof that "journalists and tv reporters" are the products of affirmative action--that they really did not make it on their own merits--would be what, exactly?

 

And this relates to the subject at hand...how, exactly?

 

Any proponent of affirmative action, it appears to me, is saying, implicitly, that today's white Americans should be penalized for the actions of previous generations of white Americans.

In other words, collective guilt.

Is there anyone here who wishes to defend the (supposed) legitimacy of the concept of collective guilt?

 

Suppose two people are both qualified--minimally, at least--to do a particular job.

But now suppose that one person is slightly better qualified than the other.

Question: Should the less qualified person be able to jump ahead of the better qualified person, simply on the basis of skin color?

 

It takes several generations to erase all the internalization

 

I think the question should be if one is not qualified should she or he jump the line and the answer would be no. But you said slightly and an example would be somebody who has a 92 average and somebody who has a 95 average. There is really no difference

 

You can call it collective guilt I call it giving equal opportunities that were denied for centuries. You don’t have to feel guilt but you certainly should Be able to intellectualize what being held on for centuries does to people

 

It's not time to end affirmative action!

 

Should have never happened. It is unconstitutional....we are all created equal, would we be okay if one group was allowed to take others property because they were different

 

Meme war? Shame. Shame on your cow. Shame on your ancestors!

 

Where this analogy fails miserably, is that I am not the person who was racist to that black kid. I shouldn’t be punished, or passed over for something I’ve never done. This is why affirmative action is nonsense, unconstitutional and needs to be eradicated from the US.

 

Oh well .. I'll never argue with that

 

Pretty much. As you know, the 'proper' universities are all public, and it's incredibly difficult to cheat their entry requirements. All of those tenures etc hang by the public accountabililty thread. And old boy networks lost their teeth with the massive increase in non-WASP applicants, and the advent of the overseas student. And the Big Three have HUGE overseas student cohorts.

 

Haha!

Mine too, it must be said, though I did try. Indulging kids the Asian way is actually bloody hard work, and requires more sacrifice than I had in me

 

While this had legs at a particular moment in time, when does it end? Where is the line drawn? The crossing of which just perpuates the cycle?

 

And hundreds and hundreds of years ago, my German ancestors were slaves of the Roman Empire. The evil of slavery affected almost every single society in the history of mankind. It's OVER... mostly, except for some of the more retarded, backward areas of the world -- NONE of which is ruled by a constitutional government patterned after those we have in "the West".

You make a LOT of assumptions, mostly rooted in what you WISH was in our law, and in our Constitution. There isn't one word about "inclusiveness", "diversity", or pie-sharing. NOT ONE. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 made ALL American citizens totally EQUAL. That, Renee, is what our laws and our Constituion DEMANDS -- and rightfully so! Nothing less, AND, nothing more.

When you demand more than that from the govenment, and want one race to be treated preferentiall over any other, you automatically make yourself out to be a crass, strong-arm RACIST. You can go on making up stuff, but when you mash all the air bubbles out of this disgrace, "affirmative action" is the MOST racist thing left in the United States. We should get completely rid of it before the sun sets today! If you are sincere in saying you want a color-blind society, then you would want to get rid of it, too!

 

It never should have happened but racism and sexism did happen for centuries and it was constitutional. We were never created equal. Your strawman argument is meaningless

 

It was OK to own slaves and enslave human beings. I guess it was OK when my gender was denied equality for centuries.The most racist thing is not affirmative action because you were not being denied admission to colleges or certain jobs strictly because you are a white male. You are still in the competition.Your race and gender has most of the power in this country because of denying equal rights to others for centuries. Now that you have to share of the pie you’re getting angry… Tough!

 

Maybe I should adopt your viewpoint and start raising hell with the Italian government for "reparations" because the Roman Empire took my German ancestors as slaves! I'd like to share some of the Italian "pie".

You simply refuse to acknowledge the FACT that giving one person a legal right to have an advantage of any kind over another person for no reason other than race is the most anti-American, unconstitutional thing there is! Fine! Your viewpoint is well-appreciated and practiced among racists everywhere, and always will be so long as real racism thrives in the sewage of goverment manipulations....

."These German slaves are a good buy, especially on BOGO deal!"

 

How do you suggest leveling the playing field ? All those centuries of networking etc keep women and minorities back.These groups being different perspectives and that’s important.
We’re not talking about Italy...we’re talking about 2 groups in this country who have been denied equal opportunity for hundreds of years. if you have aproblem with Italy, then do something

 

Problem:
One of your two groups chooses to be isolated. Clannish.
Can @Renee guess which one.



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