Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

So, its not state run, you admit that. You imply that Russia wants them to run this story. A possibility granted. But does that mean that what was reported is false? If it is true, and Russia wants to help Trump, what better way than to provide evidence of the truth? Sure, they can lie. But we won't know if they are lying unless it can be proven that they are. Do you have proof that its a lie? Would it help if I linked directly to Andriy Derkach web page? Took some digging but here you go: LINK: Andrii Derkach: «NABU-Leaks» is a key for saving Ukraine-US relations

How's that? Directly from the horses mouth so to speak.

Don't forget, the truth can be used to help someone just as much as lies. The evidence currently lies in the Ukrainian court system. Would it be wrong of Trump to ask for this evidence? Considering he is the head of the executive branch and his duties include upholding the law and investigating any possible law breaking I don't think it is. Remember, no one is above the law. One of the few things I agree with Democrats on now a days. Used to agree with them a lot more.

 

Interesting how the media has ignored this...as well as most Trump haters on this forum.

 

I know that I'm waiting for confirmation or corroboration. The guy who made the statement, this Derkach person, has also stated that the former Vice President quashed an investigation into Burisma. It's my opinion that accusation has been pretty well debunked at this point. That makes me doubt the rest of what he has to say as well. Does anyone have a link to translations of any of the documents that he reportedly has?

 

Joe Biden didn't work for Rosemont Seneca?

 

What is the source of this report?

 

Post a link to your source.

 

Boy oh boy. These politicians can become very rich and they rigged it to do just that!

Just another thing wrong with the system self serving public servants...uh, our rulers have gotten away with.

Looks like oligarchy instead of a republic.

 

'Some unnamed guy in Ukraine' doesn't qualify as evidence that Joe Biden got a cent of anything. You know that, but I understand that you have a job to do. The typhoon of obfuscation must be maintained lest even more Americans focus on what we know Trump actually did & said.

 

Already have. Both the article I first saw it on and from Andriy Derkach a member of Ukraine's Parliament's own website.

 

Some "unnamed guy"? So Andriy Derkach is an unnamed guy huh? A member of Ukraine's Parliament is an "unnamed guy" to you huh? Apparently you haven't read any of the links I've provided in this thread.

 

I know that name Derkach… but another connection.

Trump's Biden-Ukraine natural gas conspiracy theory: False ...


https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...conspiracy-theory-false-but-alive/3851728002/

1 day ago · Trump's conspiracy theories thrive in Ukraine, where a young democracy battles corruption and distrust ... when Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Derkach announced he has evidence that Burisma paid Joe ...

 

would that be FAKE NEWS?

 

No, he has a name. The people whose claims are the 'evidence' he is providing do not. They are unnamed. I notice he says Joe Biden 'probably' received money. Not exactly a slam dunk, is it? Got any evidence he actually did receive money other than Derkach saying he 'probably' did and some claims that unnamed people in Ukraine think he did?

I can wait.

 

I don't know.. Giuliani seems to be unhinged.. He's saying that he worked for the State Department, that he's a "country lawyer" and that he's the real hero and the real whistleblower. Andriy Derkach is Giuliani's connection. Giuliani is trying to help Lev and Igor get rid of Naftogaz CEO Andriy Kobolyev who is a big gas company exec in Ukraine.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-media-wild-moments.html

 

I don't claim to believe one way or the other. I just think that this Biden thing looks fishy.

On that note, there's no reason to assume that the leaders of the entire western world aren't all corrupt.

 

Statistically improbable.

 

Not as far as I can tell, but I can't find anything that says either way.

 

What are the statistics on corrupt world leaders?

 

Touche! I'll see if I can dig anything up. Although even if anything along these lines is available I'd guess that the cynics amongst us would find a way to discredit the results unless they agreed with their current beliefs.

 

Sounds to me like maybe an investigation should be had? There is no proof either way that we have available to us. But we do have claims. That's all it takes to open any investigation. Yet those that hate Trump don't want an investigation. Why?

 

Nice story. Not much in there in the way of actual evidence though. Let me ask you a question: How can we tell, as every day joe blows, who to trust? We have two different stories. Neither side has actually presented us with actual evidence. Lots of opinions. No real evidence. So...who do we trust? All your story does is detail corruption in a country that we already knew has lots of corruption in it. It does nothing to prove or disprove the claims made by Derkach. And yes, we know the line about why Biden did what he did because many countries wanted Shokin or whatever his name is removed. What we don't know is why did Biden do it? Why not an ambassador? Or hell, Obama could have done it. That is their job after all. Yet Biden got personally involved. Even though his son was on the board of a company being investigated by Shokin. So why did Biden get personally involved? And yes, I know the prosecutor that replaced after Shokin was removed said "nothing to see here" and closed the case. But can we really trust that? The US had just threatened Ukraine's government with over a billion dollars in aide at that time. Knowing that why would Shokin's replacement want to investigate the company of the man's son who just threatened that country thoroughly?

Like it or not, there should be an investigation into this whole thing. Yet Democrats and Trump haters are saying "no", that this is just a ploy for Trump to smear his political rival. What ever happened to "no one is above the law"? We just spent the last 3 years investigating Democrats political rival on baseless claims. Yet suddenly now, all of a sudden, doing such is an abuse of power? Never mind that Democrats are still investigating their political rival.

 

Still no evidence. Just an increasingly desperate attempt to deflect from Trump's behaviour. All to be expected.

 

Speaking of deflection. Why don't you want an investigation? If there's nothing to hide then why not advocate for an investigation?

 

It was a scheme to defraud the Ukraine.

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/