Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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    Abortion deals with the intentional and forced ending of a human life.
    Natural abortion or natural death does not fall in the same category. Are you saying that 70% of pregnancies end up aborted naturally in the first three months?

    Any women that has an abortion could be considered a barren women. So much more fulfilling, i know!
     
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    I linked earlier

    50% of fertilised eggs either do not implant or fail to develop and between 10 and 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage (it varies with age)

    Are you aware that a significant number of women having abortions have children?

    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Have you shown yet how an embryo or fetus can be taken out of the woman to grow on it's own? You know, how it is a separate entity from the women it's in??


    NO, you cannot impose YOUR interpretation of "god" onto others...


    You have not addressed the post of mine you quoted.

    At the time of our "founding fathers" abortion was legal.

    YOU have no idea what they would think of abortion.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Have you shown yet how an embryo or fetus can be taken out of the woman to grow on it's own? You know, how it is a separate entity from the women it's in??


    NO, you cannot impose YOUR interpretation of "god" onto others...



    You have not addressed the post of mine you quoted.

    Yes, WOMEN are endowed with rights just like every other citizen...
     
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    Obviously don't know the meaning of the word barren.....it means unable to have a pregnancy....without children
     
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    what does life , liberty and pursuit of happiness have to do with zygotes? Your contempt for women is very obvious because you aren’t even aware of what Planned Parenthood does. You can personify a ZEF ALL you want.... it is not a child
     
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    Abortions are less than 4% of the services of PP...the heck with the 96% of services for women......heck, they’re only women so who cares about birth control, family planning, STDs, Pap smears and mammogram referrals.
     
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    Are you saying that 70% of all pregnancies end in unnatural abortion?

    Selfish reasons: Any number of reasons women get abortions: To poor, dont want one, never planned for one, doesnt have the time, etc.
    The vast majority of women get abortion for selfish reasons.
     
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    I dont believe this statistic but even if I did it wouldnt change the fact that that is natural death and abortion is not. (intentional, premeditated murder) Also known as murder in the first degree.

    Nowhere did I quote the phrase "barren women" but it's a given when a women aborts.
     
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    selfish is forcing a woman to breed against her will.You want a woman who cannot afford to raise a child for 18 years to be forced to.that is so selfish to make a woman raise a child she can’t afford. There is nothing wrong with not wanting a child at a certain time in life and you wouldn’t know that since you’re probably a man without a uterus .Don’t forget you are personifying a ZEF. Why don’t you just call it a little adorable toddler. This way you can get more emotional mileage.
     
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    Last time I checked it takes a man and a women to create a baby. 50% mother and 50% father. This means fathers have a vested interest in abortion as well.

    Okay mrs. abortionist enthusiast do you really think its selfish to have a family? Do you think motherhood is selfish? Because thats what you are implying.
    If this is your reality you are beyond the hope of change.

    Who ever said sex was a mandatory? And when you say "breed against her own will" it's just a fancy liberal way of saying "when abortion becomes illegal" isnt it?

    And yes, we "force women" not to prostitute their bodies.

    You do not have total autonomy under United States law. It's time you learned that. Delusions of grandeur is what we have here. The abortion debate reminds me of something...

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    Youve got to be kidding me! Where are you getting this statistic? Lets reference the total # of abortions since 1973 again. Someones definitely been more busy than the 3% claim. As far as I know, most planned parenthood clinics DO NOT offer prenatal care. And ONLY offer ultrasounds if the mother has consented to an abortion. Remember Planned Parenthood has executed over 60,000,000 defenseless unborn children.

    Try to understand the loss to society here. No steve jobs? Think of all the potential lost here. it's impossible to quantify, isnt it?

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    Steve Job's could have very easily been aborted.
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    How about Jack Nicholson? His mom was talked out of an abortion. Good thing, right?
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    You have to dehumanize the female into nothing more than a sperm receptacle and incubator to ignore her right to life and the pursuit of happiness.

    Given Trump’s history of screwing around and paying off mistresses to keep quiet, it’s almost a certainty he’s paid for a few abortions as well.
     
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    An inalienable right from God is something that should NOT be violated under ANY circumstances (by any human action or court ruling). The right to life doesn't just reach the born but includes the unborn as well (because the fetus is human in origin and a living lifeform with its own distinct DNA). Person hood starts when the egg is fertilized does it not? Endowed by our creator is another way of saying "God given" right to "LIFE" and extends to the range of all society. If they wanted to specify one group over another, they would have narrowed the scope. And It doesnt say all men were born equal it says all men are CREATED equal. Huge difference. Humans should never infringe upon the right to life and thats exactly what abortion is doing. Going against our Declaration of Independence. More evidence that liberals exploit our founding freedoms as opposed to embrace them like decent patriots all around the nation do.

    I have an excellent understanding of what Planned Parenthood does: corrupt the local population by encouraging sex and attaching no consequences to the act. Its no secret, Planned parenthood has been creating whores since 1973. Creating whores and murdering children does not seem to me to be a healthy thing for our society.

    Would you believe? Some women use abortion as birth control. Absolutely insane how you people take advantage of our laws and our unborn children.

    Make no mistake, Trump has planned parenthood in the crosshairs.
    Planned Parenthood is by far the most destructive force in American history.

    Our founding fathers were Christian and in no way shape or form can a conservative christian support abortion. Further evidence that our founding fathers would have NEVER supported abortion. Christians dont support abortion. Period.

    The right to birth is implied by the right to life. Because life starts at the moment of conception.
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    absolutely! Men have a vested interest and they know they might have to support a child for 18 years. But only one has the final decision...who should that be? When men get pregnant they should have the final say.
    If a woman is forced to allow a zygote to develop against her will..she is a breeding machine.you may not like the term but that is just what you will be forcing her to do.
    No one said sex is mandatory....neither is driving,but sometimes there are unexpected accidents
    What do you mean by “forcing women to prostitute their bodies”?What do you mean by forcing women to prostitute their bodies
    By the way most abortions,over 90% are when the fetus is 1/10th one one ounce. And it is really obnoxious to compare born people to zygotes.its sad that you can’t tell the difference but it does get you hysterical
     
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    YUP, YOUR Post 104 : "" Any women that has an abortion could be considered a barren women.""
     
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    no, it is not forcing an end to human life...it is not allowing*it to develop. Is an acorn an oak tree?
     
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    Nobody is forcing women to have a baby - sex is a consensual act. You can chose not to have sex, for example, and then you wouldnt have to murder your own child to deny accountability.. Or the alternative, CARRY YOUR CHILD THE FULL TERM. Do you not understand how procreation works? Do you not understand the sanctity of life and the miracle of birth?

    How does having a child ignore the rights of the mother? I dont get it. You are trying to make the supposition that pregnancy is an unnatural act. This couldnt be farther from the truth. Without women there would be no continuation of the species. The continuation of the species takes precedent over the so called full autonomy of women. We live in a world of rules and regulations. It's irrational to think women deserve to be OUT OF CONTROL.
     
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    The majority of people have kids for selfish reasons. THEY want kids.

    That's selfish, it's doing what one wants to do...... ALL humans are selfish to some degree which is how humans have survived...

    The ONLY reason a woman needs to have an abortion is she wants one...being selfish is not a crime or we'd ALL be in jail.
     
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    NOPE, it starts at birth. DNA has nothing to do with "personhood" anymore than eye color..


    GEE, a BIG DOSE OF MISOGYNY ...........WHO'Da thunk :)




    Abortion was legal during the time of our founding fathers..:)
     
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    To anti ChoicERs life seems to begin at conception and ends at birth
    Only a man would believe a woman uses abortion as birth control. Yeah, we just love the cramping and bleeding of an abortion. So much easier and more fun than a condom. I do have to admit I find your rhetoric downright scary thatPP that helps millions of women with reproduce issues and women’s issues is the most destructive force. Shame on you ...for demeaning women like that. Yes, we should be kept in the dark about our own bodies. how silly to say christians don’t support abortion. Millions of christian women get abortions and jewish women and atheist women etc.Please keep your religion out of my body
    Trump isn’t going to do a thing about abortion but I think you should worry more about the bigotry and hatred he is perpetuating. I’m not surprised that you love Trump , you share similar rhetoric
     
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    Not now, but if abortion was made illegal then many women would be forced to gestate.

    Please don't give a thought to what a kid's life would be like with a mother who didn't want them....or couldn't afford them....please don't give a thought to that...






    Yup, most of the time but getting pregnant is not ...



    ...and throughout history how well has that worked ??? Hint: it didn't.


    No child is murdered in an abortion.



    You don't , you seem to think pregnancy has no effect on women whatsoever.




    There is no "sanctity of life" and birth is not a miracle...do you not understand how procreation works ????


    It doesn't...but FORCING her to have one IS infringing on her rights.






    NO WHERE did anyone indicate that
    ....you seem, like most Anti-Choicers to be drifting into Imagination Land.




    NO, it doesn't, women are NOT broodstock….even if the righties think so.

    NO one is obligated to have a kid to please YOU.


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    And LAWS...and the LAW says women have rights and abortion is legal.


    It IS irrational to say women are out of control because YOU can't control them :nana:....there IS an "issue" there !!!!
     
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    Well said and true !:applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Call it what you want: ZEF ZYGOTE, FETUS, doesnt matter to me, Im not offended. These are terms that are used to dehumanize an unborn baby and it helps them sleep at night knowing whatever they killed was not a person. And who should have the final say? Neither of them because they created the life (consensual act) and now they must see that child through until adulthood. A child is a blessing. He or she should NOT be violently executed and denied a future due to the mistake of another person. You place blame it on the small defenseless unborn baby and I place blame with the women. Accountability has never been the liberals strong point, but Trump is changing that.

    Since the right to life is a gift from God it must be protected at all costs. Anyone that would seek to compromise another human's life goes against our Declaration of Independence and the will of god (and the creeds of our society). That's also called murder.

    By "forcing women to NOT prostitute their bodies" Im giving an example of why women cannot and will not ever have full autonomy. That destroys the pro choice argument that I have the right to do anything I want with my body. Government has control over some aspects of our lives, you must face up to these facts.

    f a woman is forced to allow a zygote to develop against her will..she is a breeding machine.you may not like the term but that is just what you will be forcing her to do.
    If this is true, then we have the mother to blame for forcing herself into this situation in the first place. It was the mothers decisions that put her here. And by "forced to develop against her will" you simply mean when abortion becomes illegal, right?

    You are assuming black and white thinking. She is not a breeding machine she is a miracle of life machine. But lets stoop to your level for a minute. If a mother is not a "breeding" machine then why does she have two nipples and secrete milk for a newborn baby? And have you ever heard of the term "mother"?
    Perhaps we should use that as opposed to "breeding machine", right?

    Bottom line: If you messed up and got pregnant---- you were aware of the potential consequences of sex. Seems like a frivolous excuse to abort the baby because you made a mistake, doesnt it?
     
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    Not sure what happened there.. but the point stands... what is more fulfilling? Being barren by murdering your unborn child or achieving motherhood by giving birth to a family?
     

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