Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe they’ll just kill each other off.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You had my attention "narratives driving polls in a direction" ... and I will plagiarize that one.
    I also liked "the sales pitch "tough on Russia" - the mantra for the military industrial complex ... who needs war .. or fear .. or big bad terrorists ... or something .. to keep the gravy train flowing.

    It was your last comment .. "Trump is dismantling the Global Deep State" - somewhat defacto.

    OK - Is He ?
     
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    Yes, he is.

    The Global Deep State is the International Banks and the NGO's that support them. There is a reason that Soros money is ALL OVER both Ukraine and the Democratic Party. Obama literally just had a fund raiser at George Soros' house here in the States.

    The International Banks are TERRIFIED of what Trump is doing. They have been continuing to outsource American work in an attempt to "equalize" nations of the world. The new ECB head Christine Lagarde just wrote a scathing op-ed against Trump as she said

    "Trump is damaging the Eurozone by making the American economy stronger!"

    You may support that, but I don't, I am America First.

    The Ukraine issue is huge for the Global Deep State because it was their newest and biggest operation, as of 2016. This is also the reason that Democrats have hated Trump with a passion, they know that his sole purpose is to dismantle their organizations.

    You don't think its strange that they hate Trump THIS much more than Bush? Bush started a war killing millions of people, completely destroyed the economy and launched some of the biggest lies in American history.

    But you really believe the media when they say that Trump is the ultimate evil?

    Come on, it's just so obvious at this point.
     
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    1. The German company knew the location and time the 35s. They can track it if they already know where and when to look.

    Even if they could find it they cannot guide defences towards it. They might be able to direct a fighter towards it. But yhst fighter wont be able to find it. But the f 35 will see it and destroy it
     
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    He is an idiot where the f 35 is concerned....

    There are better sources of information about the f35.. like the guys who actually use the thing. Or the experts from Nellis in their f15s and 16s. Who get smoked constantly by rookies in the f 35.
     
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    Maybe you should research it yourself and than post why it does not work or can not do what those boys say.
    But I guess, if one can with the same principals detect a small planet around a star many millions of light years away and even determ, what type of planet it is, rock, water, gas, size, speed, distance from star and what so ever, just by the shadow it throws between its star and earth.
    A minor flicker, which was not possible to decipher, 10 years, or 20 years ago.
    Its the same principal, you have a know source of radiation and than you have the flicker, the shadow. The known source of radiation is in this case our transmission pollution. Anything blocking or shadowing it, like a planet, can be seen, not really seen as eyes, but by the instruements.
    The flicker. If you have 10 stations, SUV size, reporting the same flicker or flickers, how accurate do you thing they would be in their triangulations and how fast would the results be, for tracking, milliseconds or second, or instant.

    I would say dead meat for any thing flying and not knowing.
     
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    I have a lot of fun on military forums talking to pilots, not saying it happens often, but when you do, they talk about the advantage of stealth in BVR that it "takes the fun out of it"

    I definitely think the Euro Fighters are better in a dogfight, but from what the pilots, having stealth in a fight with split second decisions is a "stupid" advantage.
     
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    If Dan Hampton had bad things to say about the F'35. I'd be listening hard.
     
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    As I mentioned above, the best these systems have proven to do so far is to put the aircraft in a "4 km box"

    All the military people I have spoken with have said there is no real world application for the use, especially with the newer systems on platforms like the F-35.

    Feel free to post any sources that say otherwise, my information is from speaking with military pilots and other members of several military forums.
     
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    It does not matter if they knew. All they did check the radio transmission pollution and if something changed that pollution it has to be a flying object, what ever it is.
    Like it or not, they can discover any airplane, stealth or not.
     
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    Is it possible you guys are just talking about different things?

    No one is denying passive radar can pick up objects, but most people in the military fields feel that it isn't useful for any fighting as it is nowhere near accurate enough to use for weapon systems
     
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    So what? They can do nothing about its presence. They cannot engage it or defend against it..
     
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    It is very nice that they say. A single unit can put a plane into a 4km box. Multiply that by 20 units and than use triangulations and you can pinpoint your target by 1 cm, or down to a mm. You suggest to have advanced education. This is not high education, triangulation, it just needs 3 units, done that in the military, 3 units down to a meter, dead center.
     
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    It is about triangulation and not directional, as standard radar is.
    Standard radar send out a signal and receives a respond and calculates the difference in respond, reflection. A passive radar looks at the blind spots of a known emission pollution, which gets measured consistently. If something changes that pollution, by cutting it of from the receiver, you have a cause. If other receivers report the same problem you have a target and peng.
     
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    From what I read that will not solve the problem, but it will be interesting to watch!
     
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    So then the Germans made all communications in a war zone high value military targets that are simple to destroy.
     
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    The problem is the error rate.

    Passive radar is also only effective in up to 200 km (some will say 300 km)

    There are simply too many problems to use it as any type of targeting radar.
     
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    Wild Weasels with radar guided missiles would be in front of any F-35 bombing run anyways, so United States military doctrine pretty much makes a lot of this moot.

    Not to mention the EW systems on the F-35's
     
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    Wild Weasles. "First in last out"

    And YGBSM. "You gotta be ******** me"

    Every one of them a hero..
     
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    My understanding of how this radar works is that it scans the atmosphere and watches the noise that comes from various sources, like space, cell phone, TV and radio signals. It draws the picture of this noise and watches for unusual changes that would hint at a flying object distorting that noise.
    The problem is that current technology is not good enough to make much sense out of what you see. Yes, you will know that there is a flying object, but it could be anything - from flock of birds to B747.
    I seriously doubt you can make reasonable estimate of the size of that object and no weapon would be able to lock into a target using this technology.
    So, in case of war, yes, F35 could be visible by that radar, but it would also be visible to cameras and human eyes. Other than that, you can’t do much about it, except to tell your fighter jets to go and intercept, but then they would probably be attacked by F35 before they can even see it over the horizon.
    Germans are bragging that they detected F35, but they knew where to look and what to expect. Same way, all bystanders can brag about seeing F35 with their own biological eyes, or taking a picture of it with their phones. This is just a publicity stunt with no real life value to it.
     
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    There is no error rat today. Its not me who used triangulation, with a pen and a ruler. Its computers who do trillions of computations is a second.
    20 stations will cover over 4000 kms.
    They are small fit in a SUV. Nothing but a antenna, a computer and than get the info to a targeting computer and puff.
     
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    Wild Weasel depend on radiation of radars. No radiation, no wild weasels. They would be detected, not knowing and shot down, no matter what they fly.
     
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    They are going to be flying F-35's soon.

    I can't imagine how excited those guys are to even have the couple extra seconds (or more) they will have to find their radar targets and fire those missiles. Be like "cheating" compared to the 'old days'.

    I dunno though, is the F-35 quick enough? I always thought the F-16 was the perfect plane for it, the pilots are saying the stealth will make up for it. We'll see ....
     
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    Since they cost well over a billion each who the hell is paying for them????
     
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    Uh, yes there is. Passive radar is still radar.

    Passive just means it doesn't come back, so the plane can't tell its necessarily being tracked.

    You are still shooting out a MASSIVE amount of radio waves, the very thing that Weasel's feed on.

    I actually have a really good source on EM frequencies if you'd like to check it out
     

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