Gordon Sondland testifies that Ukraine aid was conditioned on Biden investigation

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    ....the campaign manager had nothing to do with the candidate?
     
  2. MrTLegal

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    Getting a job because of Daddy's name is not a crime, even if that were accurate in this situation.
     
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    The Trump bum kissers are getting more verklempt with every nail in the coffin. Even a jamoke that bought his ambassadorial appointment by giving Fake Don a million bucks admits what everybody already knew: Quid pro quo

    It's like when they were all braying about their "false flag" bomber, and that lie was suddenly demolished.

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    And all the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the United States, Ukraine, and China combined have been unable to contrive any evidence of Joe Biden's or Hunter Biden's corruption.

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    Investigating crimes and missing aide is "political help". Didn't you get the memo?
     
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    A campaign manager doesn't have anything to do with his candidate?

    That's the sword you're going to fall on?

    Really?
     
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  6. The Mello Guy

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    But The WH knew it was coming out long before. By then there had already been 2 criminal referrals to Barr over it
     
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  7. MrTLegal

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    Don't forget the Trump appointed ICIG who reviewed the whistleblower complaint and found the complaint credible and urgent.

    Or the multiple intelligence and state department officials who found Trump's shadow diplomatic campaign to pressure Ukraine into investigating Biden to be offensive and illegal.
     
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    That's not what was being investigated when the prosecutor was squashed by Biden.
     
  9. The Mello Guy

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    So you think neither Taylor or his lawyer had access to the statement they wrote? Lol
    Again, you can wait until someone reads it to you on TV, that’s ok. I hope they go slow.
     
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    You are basing it on Adam Schiff's public statements?
     
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    Correct because at that time, nothing was being investigated.
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    Is there anyone involved who doesn’t say it was a QPQ at this point?
    It’s time to unify behind “sure but it’s fine!”
     
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    Lots of assumptions there, so many that clearly you have no idea yourself. Welcome to what the rest of the world knows...
     
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    Confirmation of a quid pro quo.

    So what's your best substantive talking point?
     
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    The transcript contains questions from Republican congressmen to Taylor, what the **** is with your talking points today?
     
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    The transcripts have been released. Sworn, word-for-word testimony. Not even R Congressmen are saying that the transcripts are inaccurate.

    Try another angle, that this one doesn't work.
     
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    Not either of the two Giuliani officials who were just arrested for their corrupt practices in Ukraine?
     
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    Do you have a credible explanation for why trump needed Biden mentioned in a corruption announcement? Or why Rudy was there with some mobbed up criminals?
     
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    The theory that Trump only cared about corruption is an absolute fiction given that he never even said the word corruption until after this story broke.
     
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    The right have adopted some sort of delay game, that I don’t quite understand.
    We all know where it’s going...they’re gonna say sure it was a QPQ to go after Biden for Aid, but that’s Fine!
     
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    I thought Trump released the "perfect" phone call?
     
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    Number of times trump mentioned corruption in the call? Zero!
    Number of times he mentioned Biden?
     
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    Yah nothing was,that’s why he was fired.
     
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    If Biden committed treason (that's a completely new allegation, by the way) it would be a crime in USA. So up to the DOJ to investigate. If they thought they needed help from Ukraine, there is a treaty with clearly-identified procedures whereby the DOJ could ask for Ukraine's help.

    But the president's "request" is NOT one of the procedures for asking for help under the treaty.

    And let's be very clear here: the testimony coming out of the hearings is NOT that the military aid was being held up until Ukraine started investigating the Bidens. What Trump wanted, in exchange for releasing the aid, was A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT BY UKRAINE THAT THEY WERE STARTING INVESTIGATIONS. Trump was not asking for an investigation.

    He was asking for a public statement designed to damage the front-running Democrat in the race against him at that time. The Democrat who - at that time - many polls showed beating Trump in a head-to-head election.

    But I predict you won't care. You would vilify any Democrat for doing anything close to that. But for Trump you give him a pass. Sad. Disgusting.
     
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    Bwahahahaha.

    No aid money until you get serious about corruption. Lol good luck impeaching Trump for making sure that taxpayers' money don't end up in wrong pockets.

    Jeez, poor libs, chewing on another nothingburger. Lol
     

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