Yovanovitch gets standing ovation at the end of 5-hour hearing

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  1. Robert

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    Kent nor Taylor or Yovanovitch herself gave the Democrats what they wanted. Unless they wanted to hear about how all they know of they heard in the hall as a person spoke of a different person who was talking of some other person. Why are Democrats or their supporters so eager to exonerate Burisma?

    Also, why was Zelensky happy Trump moved her out of his country? Ps, I have been retired close to 20 years myself.
     
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    And the reason for Trump to justify his smearing of this courageous woman is that she was 'bad news'. :blankstare:
     
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    Trump and the Republican Party needs no defense unlike the sexism of the Democrats on display last week.
     
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    Intimidated by a tweet ??? And this is an individual dealing with Ukraine the most corrupt country in Europe ???
     
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    And it shows that Trump was correct to ask that the investigation of Burisma should resume and part of that corruption was Hunter Biden whose father as VP of the US had bragged about bribing in a public forum.
     
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    Except it wasn’t. How many times were Kent and Taylor asked how they felt ???
     
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    Threatened her?
    Comedy gold
     
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    Yes is the answer. The total wait was 55 days. Ukraine was not aware of the delay.
     
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    To defend against Russian aggression. Too bad Obama sent only mre’s and blankets. Ukraine might still have Crimea. BTW all three stated that Trump has been vastly superior to Obama with regard to defending Ukraine.
     
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    The part the Democrats appear to think comes to us in invisible print is like this from Zelensky along with Trump's reply back.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf


    (l!l-,'HP) President Zelenskyy: Yes it is. very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President,-· it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to· open a new page on �ooperation in . relations between the United· States and Ukraine.· For that· purpose, I just recalled our.ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who wtll work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting clciser. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and y9ur .confidence and _ have persona·1 relations·with you so we c�n cooperate even �ore so. I· wili. personally tell you that one· of my assistants· spoke with Mr. Giuliani just.recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. G1uliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and. we will meet once · he co�es to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again_that you _have nobody but friends around-us. I w.ill make sure -that-I surro�nd myself with the best and most experienced people._ I also· wanted to ·tell you that we are friends. We are great· friends and you Mr. President have. friends -in our country so we can continue our strategic·�artn�rship. I also plan to surround · myself with great people ·and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations.will be done_openly and candidly .. That I can assure you .. :)9/MF�

    The Pre·sident: Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very·good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. _·A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your �ery good prosecutor down and you had some �ery bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the_ mayor bf New York Ci:ty, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney·_ ·· General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United $tates,· the woman., was bad news �nd th� people she was dealing with in .the Ukraine .were bad news so I jtist wan� to_let you know that� The ot�er thing, There's a lot 6f. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    (S;'ti!F) President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell ·you about the prosecutor� First df �11 I understand arid I'm kn6wledgeable .abotit the situation. Sine� we ha�e �on· the ab�olute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor .general will be 100%_ my person, my c'andidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start. a_s a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look. into the situation, specifically to the company that you -mentioned in :this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is �ctually the issui of �aking sure to res�o�e the honesty so we will take care of.that and wi11·wo:tk on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide ·to µs, end of transcripted comments by me

    I tell you, the part in Orange has the Democrats terrified. This is what Schiff is all about. Fear of exposure.
     
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    Zelensky wasn't happy about her removal. Zelensky wasn't even inaugurated when she was recalled. Zelensky is trying to rid Ukraine of their past history of corruption, that was Marie Yovanovicth's goal, so why would he not want the support of the US to help him do that? Instead, our own president tried to play him, he had a corrupt intent. How will the U.S. ever be seen by our allies as a country that's good for their word when our own president tries to extort Ukraine for corrupt intent of his own?

    There was no need to try to destroy Marie Yovanovitch's 33 year career as a dedicated Ambassador that has served in some of the harshest posts on the globe. All he had to do was recall her, he didn't have to literally destroy her. She's not an appointee like Gordon Sondland who merely handed Trump a million dollars to be given an ambassadorship as a 'thank you'. Sondland literally knows nothing about Ukraine or the EU for that matter. That's the problem with political appointees to foreign service. They really don't know what they're doing, they don't know the players and all they've done is pay for their position with big donations. They usually end up with cushy posts in the Caribbean or some peaceful little country where there's no challenge.

    Career foreign service professionals at the caliber as Marie Yovanovitch, have decades of experience in foreign service. Yovanovitch has been to the front lines where Russian missiles were being thrust into Ukraine at the border at least 10 times. She's definitely a hands-on ambassador. What Trump did to her including smearing her reputation and career and literally threatening her ("she's going to go through some things") and the intimidation of her in his emails at the same moment she's testifying as to feeling threatened, is just not acceptable behavior by any man, much less our president.

    As far as Zelensky goes, I believe that Trump's own words as overheard at a street cafe on the phone call with Gordon Sondland in Kyiv sums it all up. Obviously, making a phone call from Kyiv to the president of the United States means that not just the Russian intelligence services will be on the call, but a whole lot of other people, too. If it was that important, Sondland could have easily gotten up from the restaurant, gone to the embassy and made a secure call through the White House operations center. Instead he made the call (which Trump has no memory of) and Trump's voice was loud enough to be overheard by at least two foreign service aides. One of these aides that overheard the call and heard Trump's voice is David Holmes.

    David Holmes said that Trump was speaking so loudly that Sondland pulled the phone away from his ear, and that the back-and-forth between the two men was fully audible. He also indicated two other people overheard the conversation as well. Trump asked Sondland, who had just come out of his own meeting with Zelensky, “So, he’s going to do the investigation?” Sondland responded by saying that Zelensky “loves your ass,” that he would pursue the investigation, and that he would do “anything you ask him to.” Zelensky is a newly elected president of a country in turmoil and under siege, so yes, he would agree to just about anything to get the funds needed to purchase Javelins to protect their border from Russian tanks.

    We have observed an American President repudiate a fundamental element of our national security policy that has been in effect since the early 20th century. During that period, the United States has consistently held that it was in our national security interest to ensure that only peaceful means were used to alter political boundaries in Europe. Trump is defying that very national foreign policy by bribing the president of Ukraine to interfere with our election.
     
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    Holy cow. So much incorrect.
    1. Zelensky was very pleased he did not need to deal with Marie Yovanovich. Sorry but even he agreed she had been bad news.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

    Who do you think is the true source for the Media that ... nope, look the opposite direction,. nothing to see vs Biden and son? That has to come from Marie Yovanovich.

    I want to see you remove such words as bribe, etc. Then talk to us.

    One more thing. She served in Ukraine for nearly 3 years. Are you aware her career as an Ambassador consisted of 3 year stints per country? She did not enjoy a lifetime appointment.

    Last, why aren't the Democrats whining that Zelensky removed his ambassador from the USA?
     
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    Zelensky’s fundamental goal is to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression. Trump is giving him the means to do that. Obama did not.

    Zelensky could care less about Yovanovitch.
     
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    And where pray tell is the connection with being a Nazi? Your link makes no mention of the Nazi's.
     
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    Prove your statement with a link please. And as I have already stated, Zelensky was not even president of Ukraine when Marie Yovanovitch was ousted. It was only once she was gone that pressure was put on Zelensky. Trump’s efforts began by pressuring Zelensky by withholding a White House meeting and eventually military aid. So who was it really that wanted Marie Yovanovitch 'out of the way' ?

    May-June 2018 — Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas presses then-U.S. Congressman Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican, to urge the administration to remove or recall Ambassador Yovanovitch from her post in Kyiv, around the same time as Parnas and Belarusian-American associate Igor Fruman, both residents of Florida, commit to raising money for Session’s re-election campaign.

    That's right, two Russian operatives are the men that wanted her out. What does that tell you? Oh you don't like the word 'bribe'? Too bad, because that's what it was but it's also extortion.
     
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    Bribe and extortion. The tRUMP way.
     
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    Asking is one thing. Bribe and extortion is different. Especially for personal political gain while using your political office in doing so. With a shadow gov't operation.
     
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    What did Zelensky tell Trump that makes you think Zelensky plans to meddle in the 2020 election?
     
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    I don't care what the NYTimes has to say. They're behind a paywall anyways. Besides. I don't need to listen to them when I can read or watch the "witness" testimony myself to get the actual facts instead of a story spun towards a pre-determined narrative. And the facts are that in order to be extorted you have to know that you're being extorted. And the Ukrainians did not know about the aide being withheld until a month AFTER Trump asked for his favor. That is a fact which you cannot dispute.
     
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    And a 3 and a 2 and a 1, just as I predicted. LOL
     
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    Trump pressured none of them. As to Yovanovich, he yanked her out over her support of the corrupt Government running Ukraine prior to Zelensky. Zelensky also commented she was against him.
     
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    Adoration is blind....
     
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    What bribe ?? What extortion ??
     
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    Trump himself asked him to in three ways. First, he wanted Zelensky to agree to opening an investigation into a U.S. citizen, one that was a political candidate opposing Trump in 2020. Second, he wanted Zelensky to make a public statement, which was already scheduled to be made live on CNN but was cancelled right after the money was released to Ukraine, and all this in order to get a White House invitation. Third, he wanted Zelensky to investigate UKRAINE to show that it was Ukraine and not Russia that hacked our 2016 election. The Russia hacking was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by our US intelligence agencies plus our 'five eyes' intelligence agencies from the UK, Australia, Canada and France.

    Trump threatened to withhold the remaining 400 million until he had a guarantee from Zelensky that he would comply with Trump's demands. That's bribery and extortion.
     
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    My perception of the public sexism of the Democrats last week is crystal clear.
     

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