Ohio bill orders doctors to ‘reimplant ectopic pregnancy’ or face 'abortion murder' charges

What is being chosen defines what choice means in each case. If it is being used in the abortion argument it favors abortion.

 

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Have you looked up the word "choice" in the dictionary? That might help. In the dictionary you will find different words....that's because different words have different meanings...."choice" doesn't mean anything but "choice" no matter what you think of the English language.

Using your "logic' then those against abortion could be called the "Pro-Women Have No Rights" group so they face what they are really up to.

No, it favors women having the same rights everyone else has.


And, BTW, more women "choose" gestation than abortion....did you want to take away that right?

 

Anti-choice. Anti-women. Anti-personal privacy. Anti-logic and reason.

These people are not "pro" anything as far as I can tell.

 

Such as?

 

Banning abortion doesn't mean women have NO rights, you're just using overkill in broad terms to help mask what is being discussed. That topic is abortion because that is the choice being made in these terms.

 

Banning abortion takes away women's basic human right, that of bodily autonomy.

FORCING women to gestate is denying them rights.

Take away the right to bodily autonomy and there is nothing left.

 

How so?

When you go to the doctor, do you have to disclose to anyone your reasons for seeing a doctor? Are there laws requiring you to report your medical condition to the government? How would you feel if there were such laws?

Roe v Wade is not about abortion. It's about our right to privacy. A woman's pregnancy is no one's business but her own and she has no obligation to report her condition to anyone. It's between her and her medical provider, and medical providers are bound by doctor-patient privilege.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. But no one has the right to make that decision for anyone else, under any circumstances.

 

It does in cases where carrying a pregnancy to term would endanger the woman's life.

In any case, what happens inside my body is my business and no one else's, under any circumstance.

 

Nobody has bodily autonomy as you are describing it. Drugs are illegal. Using too much of any legal mind altering drug such as alcohol is illegal. Life is full of restrictions as to what you can do with or to your own body. What makes abortion so abhorrent to some is that it involves another human being and violates their body.

 

Pro-choice does not favor abortion. It simply means that terminating a pregnancy is one available choice.

 

Yes, but please explain how that analogy applies. How is owning a gun equivalent to being pregnant?

Try this: the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to gun ownership. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment guarantees our right to privacy and autonomy within our own persons.

Roe v Wade is established constitutional law. Live with it. No woman should ever be answerable to the state for her medical condition. Period.

 

Then what will you do to women who want to drive to another state for an abortion?

Are you prepared to lock them up to prevent them from crossing a state border?

 

I just raise the kids, I have been a single parent twice with two kids, they don't bother me..

 

Great, we've established that you're a regular citizen. I'm assuming you're male, apologies if I have that wrong. Would it be okay with you if the government were to forbid you from having a vasectomy? That if you have one, you should serve some jail time for it? What if they claimed that by shooting blanks, you're preventing babies from being made? Or what if they tell you that, since you no longer have seed, you shouldn't be allowed to have sex because sex is only allowed for the purpose of procreation?

Back in the 70s when I marched for the cause of women's choice, I carried a sign that said "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." All these decades later, that's still true.

 

Okay

How are you going to police this?

I doubt you will ever get every state to ban abortion and even if you do there is always Canada

Are you going to have woohoo inspectors at state lines to make sure women do not get abortions?

How are you going to detect those women having “medical” abortions?

 

I have the perfect solution to preventing abortion

Make all men get sterilised, after they deposit sperm at a sperm bank of course. Then and only when they can afford to raise a child and have found a woman willing to carry that baby can they apply for a “withdrawal”

No unwanted pregnancies no abortions

Funny that none of the men denigrating women seem to want to go along with that plan

 

Abstinenece is the only 100% method that works, you just have to actually practice it. Know why there are so many people? They didn’t practice abstinence.

Can’t have babies if you don’t have sex, right? Can’t get std’s if you don’t have sex(I believe y’all call them sti’s). It’s just not the most practical, but it absolutely is the best method if practiced.

 

I think you need to look up "bodily autonomy " and learn what it is. It isn't what you describe.

But you make a point about "restrictions". With rights come restrictions and if fetuses had rights they'd have restrictions like not being allowed to harm another (the woman they're in)

 

That's a very big " if ".....and with the history of humans as evidence, preaching abstinence does not work.

 

No.

 

Has the government stopped you from having your tubes tied?

 

Somewhere early on in this mess I stated that abortion is not going away. It is also not going back to clothes hangers. I don't believe in it but I understand it. It isn't to protect poverty level women, they get a pay raise with each new one. If a woman gets tipsey and frisky at a party and gets pregnant then maybe she should question her ability to make choices for herself?

I have always held that abortion is ok in cases where the mother's life is threatened or rape or incest. It shouldn't be the preferred method of birth control though.

 

By your definition pro choice means pro birth because pro choice can mean opting for birth just as much as opting for an abortion. Choice just means both options are available and up to the woman to decide.

I can honestly say I've never met anyone that is pro abortion, nobody I know has wanted to get pregnant just to have an abortion.

 

Why do you think only women who get "tipsey and frisky at a party" are the only women who have unwanted pregnancies???

If you think she is unable to make choices for herself why would you want her to be a parent ?