Local council members want to ban businesses from using bulletproof glass

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Philadelphia City Council's Public Health and Human Services Committee passed a bill yesterday to regulate the use of bulletproof glass at food establishments. The original bill would have banned bulletproof glass outright, but that was changed following backlash from store owners, who said the glass was needed for their protection.

    As passed, the bill leaves the option open for city bureaucrats to ban bulletproof glass later. In the meantime, it imposes new regulations on stores that sell food and beer. It calls on the Department of Licenses and Inspections to promulgate new rules on the "use or removal of physical barriers" by January 1, 2021. It also requires the establishments to maintain a public bathroom that is accessible without walking through a food preparation or otherwise restricted area.​

    https://reason.com/2017/12/15/philly-votes-to-regulate-bulletproof-gla/#

    At least one Pennsylvania lawmaker wants to stop Philadelphia from implementing a law that could force some city businesses to remove bulletproof barriers between workers and customers.
    State Representative Todd Stephens, R-Montgomery, said in a memo Tuesday – two days before the bill passed City Council – he plans to introduce legislation allowing workplaces to "implement safeguards against workplace violence – and to prevent municipalities from prohibiting those safeguards."

    The bill received pushback from many, primarily Asian American store owners, who said plexiglass barriers were paramount to safety, a point echoed in Stephens' proposal.
    https://www.phillyvoice.com/state-rep-wants-block-phillys-absurd-bulletproof-glass-legislation/

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    Would bulletproof glass be necessary if America were gun-free?
     
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    its amazing the amount of idiots who get elected in Democrat run areas. I guess this twit is armed robbers' representative on the council.
     
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    only fools think America could be gun free: those who want to wish for impossible environments should be wishing for an America that is criminal free.
     
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    Who would take the guns?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    invariably men with guns. Not the gun banners who hide behind such people.
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    This is nuts that's like saying we have a crisis of criminals getting shot robbing people
     
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    If she isn't getting donations from local security firms, I'll eat my hat.

    The whole idea that we can 'provide' dignity is a farce. People who feel humiliated by bullet proof glass will shop where there is none. People who shop where there is bullet proof glass are not humiliated by it.
     
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    I actually kind of agree with her, it is humiliating to buy Kentucky fried chicken behind bullet proof glass
     
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    Would it be needed if all people stopped robbing and killing? I love magic wand questions.
     
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    I can only speculate not being able to trust them with guns would be even more humiliating to blacks than requiring them to conduct business with a cashier behind a thick bulletproof window.

    There is a race relations element to this because most of those store owners behind the window in these neighborhoods are Asian American.

    Philadelphia has an organization called the "Asian American Licensed Beverage Association of Philadelphia" who strongly opposed this law.
    (yes, apparently there are that many Asian store owners in the city running convenience stores and liquor stores)
     
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    Ask the nation of France. For all intents and purposes it is firearms-free, and yet it is subject to many terrorist attacks committed with prohibited firearms.
     
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    Yes, because criminals would still have guns.
     
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    Criminals won't ever be gun-free
     
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    Necessity would increase as only criminals would have them.

    Put yourself in the cashiers shoes. You make very little and the risk of armed robbery is high. Should a politician who enjoys the luxury of armed security get to force you to remove your only protection?
     
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    you have no rights to avoid being offended.. middle finger to this councilperson.
     
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    This is the most asinine thing I have read in a long time. So please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand the reasoning behind banning bulletproof glass is because it offends folks as sort of a symbol of a bad neighborhood? These ARE bad neighborhoods, that's the point.

    Why have we as a society shifted so far that we can no longer call a duck a duck?

    A large chunk of my family lives in inner city Baltimore, in the exact areas that you'll see if you google Baltimore poverty. As a matter of fact I was speaking to my mother on the phone yesterday and while she was sitting in the grocery store parking lot on the phone with me some homeless person came knocking on her window asking for money.

    If inner city Baltimore were not located in the United States it would be a 3rd world country with UN Humvees riding around handing out aid. That place is a cesspool, simple gas stations look like the reception center at Pelican Bay prison. People get robbed, raped, and murdered there to the tune of around 1 per day. I know all about these sort of inner city crime ridden hell holes, I spent part of my childhood there and unfortunately have to go visit family there every once and a while.

    Any politician or anybody in general who supports this asinine policy should be forced to work at the liquor store around the corner from my mother's house in inner city Baltimore. No bulletproof glass and unarmed. Forced to work there for 1 full month with nothing but your little baseball bat and extra security cameras or whatever other nonsense being proposed.

    See what happens to you. You WILL be robbed and/or killed. There is no "maybe". These people have lost their damn minds.

    I would NEVER open a business in Baltimore period, let alone without having bulletproof glass, bars on the windows and doors, and a loaded gun on my hip. I highly doubt inner city Philly is that much different. Way to drive away business Philly city council knuckleheads, you really think a business owner is going to agree to this nonsense? I sure as hell wouldn't and neither would any other sensible person.
     
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    If you want to be a proprietor marry into a no-nonsense, tough, smart Korean family.
     
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    America will never be gun-free. That is not possible. The black market will prevail.
     
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    I once owned a two convince stores in North Miami back in the 90's, in the stores there was installed a robbery reporting system, it consisted of a short barreled shotgun strapped under the counter, with a coat hanger wire over the trigger back to a finger loop at the inner edge of the counter.

    Should the clerk be held up, he would of course safely comply, open the register and if possible pull the loop discharging the shotgun through the quarter inch paneling on the front of the counter delivering a twelve gauge double ought load into the robbers abdomen terminating the robbery.

    After which the clerk would, (as part of the reporting system) call nine one, one and have the robber removed from the store.

    The system was only used once in eight years and it worked as designed.
     
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    Already exists
     
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    Why was the bill signed into law?

    It kinda makes sense what they're trying to do. They don't want alcohol sold in particular neighborhoods. Apparently these stores with bullet proof glass are primarily selling liquor but masquerading as restaurants. Why does this matter? Because alcohol fuels crime. So by getting rid of the bulletproof glass, you raise the costs of doing business there. By raising the costs of doing business, businesses like liquor stores go out of business. This in turn means places where they sold drugs goes away.

    Bloody smart move all things considered.
     
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    No, I was surprised it was even floated.
     
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    Nah it makes sense, and it was signed into law.
     

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