Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants

So its not going to kill restaurants, like the original post said, just make them a little more expensive.

I accept your premise that it's really a tax of a sort. If that's the case its probably the most moral and efficient form of taxation there is, directly benifiting the poor without going through a cycle of government bureaucracy and being wasted on nonsense.

 

With a household of 2 it can be 2177 a month.... according to your own source.
2177 x 12 months / 52 weeks / 40 hours = 12.55 an hour.

About 40% of the US earns less than 15 bucks an hour, champ. If they don't have kids, than the US will die out. It's that simple.
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/making-economic-case-15-minimum-wage/?agreed=1

1) 40% of the country earns less than 15 bucks an hour. It's a joke to claim they have no experience or skill and are at their starting point.
2) McDonalds and Visa have no clue how to make a living on a minimum wage working 40 hours. They claim it takes 75 hours to do that. And that way of living excludes things like a heating bill and only 600 bucks in rent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...w-its-workers-survive-on-minimum-wage/277845/

 

I would agree but how does it help the poor ?

If five people get a $7 dollar raise , yes they are doing well

If 60 million people get a $7 dollar raise , they still eventually are all in the same boat making no progress..

The company's dont eat the new minimum wage taxes they just pass them on


For example your budget for the week of Pepsi, diet cokes, cheeseburgers, cheetos, vegetables, paying child care, getting gas is $100 bucks

After a $15 national minimum wage increase it will now cost you $150~ $200 bucks a week

Its trickle up misery/trickle up despare.

 

That would be true if the costs of the wage increase were only paid for by those who benefit from it. Instead everyone pays a little more and those at the bottom get a lot more.

So their expenses go up, but not as much as their wages go up. Where as for someone making 100,000 grand a year, their expenses go up and they don't get a benefit. It seems to me sort of like our sliding scale taxation except way more efficient cause you don't need the IRS or bureaucracy involved at all.

A raise in the minimum wage by 50% won't make the cost of goods go up by 50%. That would only happen if everyone got a 50% increase.

 

That would be true , if welfare levels didn't rise either by the government.

Minimum wage used to be 25 cents an hour with food stamps you could get

Now it $7.25 an hour with food stamps you are eligible for

At $15.00 bucks an hour they will raise it so you are eligible for food stamps

Minimum wage is the bottom, you can raise it up to $250 bucks an hour and you would still be poor and be eligible for food stamps

It's just a number that equals zero the bottom.

 

I dont disagree about not liking where my tax money is going but I don't see the proper way of changing the system is to force employers to pay more for job that requires minimum skills like stacking things on shelves.

 

You really want to make a difference, use a two tier or three tier minimum wage, which most people on the left absolutely hate

For example minimum wage as the following:

1)16 year old to 18 year olds $ 8 bucks an hour

2) 19 years old to 21 years old $12 bucks an hour

3) 21 years old and up $15 bucks an hour

 

It's just paying for living wages. A minimum requirement. It's far more ridiculous that joe the plumber pays taxes to aid Walmart underpaying it's staff so they can make almost 10 billion bucks in profit. Them CEO's of the banks still got their bonuses when their banks failed, Obama saved their businesses with taxes.. from Joe the plumber who got kicked out of it's house for not being able to pay the mortgage to them banks. Weird that them CEO's earn all that money for zero risk and doing a bad job at it. Mcdonald employees get foodstamps / the government aids that company. The CEO gets well over a million bucks as a base salary for bossing around mostly them minimum wage people. No clue why he earns that much either.


Might as well support the idea that a person gets a honest days wages for a honest day work.
Because that's what we're talking about. That managers need to cut back in their income.... you know /care

 

This debate started with you discussing people (Walmart employees, in particular) who get paid so little that they qualify for food stamps. As I showed, the cut-off for food stamps for a single person working full time is $8.04/hour. "15 bucks an hour" is nearly double that. People should definitely be able to live on that. That has nothing to do with your argument about Walmart workers needing food stamps (your original argument.) Are you now trying to argue people can't live on $15/hour? Because in most places they can live on $15/hour ---- and they can live on less.

You're sticking with this talking point, even after I've proven it is not true?? That doesn't say much for your intellectual honesty....

 

Huh?

Obama made bush jr taxes permanent, I dont comprehend what you mean my friend?


Janet Yellen used quantitative easing to save wall street, when did Obama raise taxes?

Oh yea I forgot he raised the social security tax in 2013.

 

In general, the managers earn a small fortune for bossing around people earning very little. That's what the GINI factor shows when the US is compared to other western countries. And while people openly complain why somebody needs to earn living wages, we never question why managers must live it that very large. The cost of wages of a company still can remain the same when the people at the bottom get to earn 15 bucks, if management is being cut in salary.

When Obama bailed out the banks.... 1.6 billion bucks went to pay management to pay bonuses and salary for doing their job so well. Heck, they even got their country club memberships paid with that. Trump himself got +100 million in governmental aid to play golf these past 3 years. Because you know, instead of playing golf at a military base around the corner, he took a plane with his company car to Florida and play there. Total madness.

 

According to you, people should be able to make a living on that.
According to McDonald's and Visa you can't make a living on that.
So you know... who should I trust?

I also pointed at your idea that a person with 2 kids still get food stamps earning a lot more than the 8 bucks.
Your idea that such people can't have kids, would mean the end of the US population eventually. Unrealistic!

You never proved what a living wage is. I have.
Your idea of a childless society for the poor is insanity.
I made that clear in my previous post. You're not responding to it.
Hence: you loose.

 

Sounds more like you're just deflecting away,... when I pointed out that management that openly fails got 1.6 billion bucks in aid for nice treats and salaries. Hence I fail to see why a person doesn't get a honest days wages /living wages for a honest day work. And them CEO's can cut back on their salaries and still earn plenty, no problem. The cost of goods don't need to go up one bit.

 

So you saying these employees don't have 50 inch televisions?

So you saying these employees dont have cell phones and access to WIFI for free?

So you saying these employees dont have indoor plumbing

So you saying these employees dont have acess to clean water?

So you saying these employees dont have public transportation?


What is a living wage, I dont remember reading the year 2019 Americans dying all around us ..

 

Post 327. I sourced that McDonalds and Visa claim you need to make 75 hours a week on a minimum wage, when your rent is 600 bucks and you don't have the luxury of heating your apartment. A "realistic" way of living.

And people aint dying... because didn't I tell you the government is aiding companies to underpay their employees? I thought I told you that a zillion times by now.

 

We in Colorado have been going up to 12. Everybody screamed the world would end. I raised my prices accordingly, everybody did, had to.
Wal Mart and others have a large employee overhang, so they let some go, reduced hours, trimmed some fat.
Small business do not have a employee overhang, they are rather lean. So we have to find other ways to get lean or earn the increase.Better service is a way.
I have not let go of one employee.
Increased minimum wage, put more money in the economy, people are able to buy more stuff. They buy more stuff, sales tax for the counties and state go up.
I have jet to see the negative efect

 

So you agree that cheap coal is the way for poor people to afford heat?

 

Do source me where I said that.

 

There is no cheap coal.

 

Of course not with the Democrats 40 year war on coal..

You do know a pack of Marlboro cigarettes are $3 bucks a pack in Mississippi, $12 bucks a pack in some blue cities, right?


It's the same thing

 

He resigned. Do you think the current should receive that high salary and bonus to the current one if he can manager them through this and back to profitability and a plane they can sell again?

 

When did this economic principle come about that EVERY JOB must pay enough to raise a family of four, own a home, two cars, and send two kids to college? That a business must pay someone more than the job is worth just to able to staff it?

It's far more ridiculous to say someone pays taxes to it aid Walmart and how much profit should Walmart be allowed to make then?

Some did and some didn't. If they got the bank through the crisis and almost financial collapse relatively unharmed they were worth the money.

No he didn't and the Bush TARP bridge loans which prevented the collapse was paid back with interest and ahead of schedule.

I was able to pay my mortgage all through why couldn't Joe? He earns that much because his job is to protect the assets of the owners of the company and insure they make a solid return on their investment and in times of a downturn to manage the company through it with the least harm. He earns that much because he makes the decision on how that money will be used to bests manage the company and that capital and assets. He earns that much because there are realitively few people who had the knowledge and talent to do that job compared to minimum wage workers whose work involves little to anything with those assets and the management of them.

Is paying them more than the job is worth "honest"?

 

1. In 2017, 40 million people struggled with hunger in the United States.[1]
2. The USDA defines "food insecurity" as the lack of access, at times, to enough food for all household members. In 2017, an estimated 15 million households were food insecure. [2]
3. In America, hunger is caused by poverty and financial resources at both the national and local levels.[3]
4. 45 million Americans rely on stipends from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to buy food each month, according to the USDA. 2/3 of these benefits go to households with children.[4]
5. 1 in 6 American children may not know where their next meal is coming from.[5]
6. 22 million children in America rely on the free or reduced-price lunch they receive at school, but as many as 3 million children still aren't getting the breakfast they need.[6]
7. Children who experience food insecurity are at a higher risk of developing asthma, struggling with anxiety or depression, and performing poorly in school or physical activities.[7]
8. 15% of families living in rural areas experience food insecurity, compared with 11.8% living in suburban and metropolitan areas.[8]
9. People of color are disproportionately affected by higher risk of hunger. 22.5% of Black households and 18.5% of Latinx/Hispanic households experienced food insecurity in 2018.[9]
10. These 8 states have the highest rates of food insecurity in the United States: Mississippi (18.7%), Louisiana (18.3%), Alabama (18.1%), New Mexico (17.6%), Arkansas (17.5%), Kentucky (17.3%), Maine (16.4%), Oklahoma (15.2%).[10]
11. In 2017, households with children had a substantially higher rate of food insecurity (15.7%) than those without children (10.1%).[11]

https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-hunger-us

 

A company should decide how much to pay its employees not the government. It's called minimum wage for a reason. People need to get more skills or deal with it. Honest days work means an honest days pay. If a cashier at mcdonalds puts in an honest day they are earning an honest days pay. If minimum wage goes up to much jobs will be cut and no one will work unless your at a higher level of skills than cashier.

Paying for living wages is absolutely viable at 7.25 if someone does not need steak dinners and new cars.

Minimum wage earners need to realize that they need to do something different. They dont deserve more pay for nothing.

 

Ever wonder why people in Trump's economy don't feel like they are getting ahead?

10 Careers With the Most Annual Job Openings: 2016-2026

• Combined Food Preparation and Serving Workers. Getty Images. ...
• Retail Salespersons. Getty Images. ...
• Cashiers. Getty Images. ...
• Waiters and Waitresses. Getty Images. ...
• Personal Care Aides. ...
• Hand Laborers and Material Movers. ...
• Customer Service Representatives. ...
• Office clerks
  
• Janitors and cleaners
• Stock clerk

Median wage about $12.50
Openings about 4.7 million

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/careers-with-most-job-openings-4587335