Educated vs "Non-Educated"

There you go. You learned something today.
Keep it up and we might let you become a Democrat.

 

*LOL*

The charts show that Fox News watching conservatives get fewer questions correct than people who watch no news at all. The conclusions say exactly the same thing.

why are you trying to dispute what’s laid out in front of you? Good God.

 

I disagree.

Then how come so many people without the vaulted degree, have critical thinking skills, and college educated individuals don't? If you question my statement, just do some reading on those willing to take on obscene debt, without realistic ideas of what the field of education job market looks like.

 

I learned that education can take you from dumb to not quite as dumb. You can keep all that in your party

 

Wrong. PLEASE READ THE CHARTS AND THE CONCLUSIONS again.

 

Why do the trumpers seem to denigrate education and expertise?

 

Look at the individual questions. More republicans answered each question correctly than democrats.

Question K1, Answer: Yes Dem Correct 40, Rep Correct 41

Question K2, Answer: No Dem Correct 51, Rep Correct 56

Question K3, Answer: Germany, Dem Correct 24, Rep Correct 28

Question K4, Answer: Anything about Nuclear, etc, Dem Correct 41, Rep Correct 50

Question K5, Answer: Republicans, Dem Correct 66, Rep Correct 69

Question K6A, Answer Anything about Keystone, etc. Dem Correct 11, Rep Correct 12

Question K6B, Answer Santorium, Dem Correct 32, Rep Correct 44

Question K7, Answer Romney, Dem Correct 43, Rep Correct 60

Question K8, Answer 8.1 to 9.0%, Dem Correct 34, Rep Correct 44

 

My only addition would be to point out our definition of education or schooling may be too narrow. They involve much more than school attendance. The mind can be engaged outside formal settings.

 

Why should so many accumulate tons of debt and spend years in school deferring income, just to do the same job their parents did straight out of high school? Seems like a waste of time and resources, and drives up the costs for everyone.

 

Compare starting salaries (or even employment rates, period) between Sociology grads, and STEM grads who majored in high demand fields.

That's all the evidence you need to prove the 'horsesh!t' point.

 

Not where I live. The majority here are in Arts/Humanities. IOW, utterly useless.

 

End of the day, it doesn't matter how much 'knowledge' you acquire, if you're generally dysfunctional or have low emotional IQ, then you are simply not intelligent. The best measure of intelligence is problem solving. Ergo people who can't even solve their relatively small 'life' problems, are clearly lacking intelligence.

Those who keep their lives tidy are the smart ones, irregardless of education or official IQ. They are able to extrapolate consequences, and weigh up the pleasure/reward ratio of going off piste. That takes very active and very acute faculties. It also takes mental fortitude to respond to those cues accurately and appropriately.

 

LOL .. no it doesn't. Or rather, if it does you're probably wasting your money.

College - for all but the very rich and the very idle - is for learning a trade. Ordinary people don't have the time or resources to waste any of that very expensive 3-5 years philosophising, or 'learning how to think'. We can do that for free, any time.

 

It's the other way around. Keep up with the news, and you'll see it everywhere. Western nations are losing the race dramatically, with ever declining math/science standards. We have given FAR too much time to 'vanity' education (anything which won't lead directly to well paid full time work), and not put enough emphasis on vocational education. This is a direct result of being so safe and rich, that we forgot our kids will need to earn a living in an increasingly globalised world.

Decide what you want. Do you want your kids to be homeless poets? Or do you want them to be solid working citizens with a family, a good job, and and contributing to society via taxes (which pay for those homeless poets, incidentally)? PS: I say homeless because Gen Z, and even millenials, are heading that way. Any kids not preparing for a future of insanely expensive housing, can almost expect it.

Meantime, all of us are free to pursue 'the arts' in our spare time. The great error is in thinking it can be a paying career. It never was. It was always a thing we did as a hobby, or full time if we were so rich we didn't need to work for a living.

 

BINGO!

 

Agree with the above, but also keep in mind that there has been a pervasive, completely unregulated lie narrative blared through every orifice of the media for decades that any ole degree in any ole thing from any ole where is an "education" and "education" always means more money, success, social class. If U.S. private companies advertised like gov-edu does/has for decades, they'd be instantly shut down by regulators and sued out of existence.

Americans were lied to by the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer MSM Complex that "muh college education" conveniently undifferentiated, together with buying a larger house than needed and filling it with junk is "The American Dream." The next step when that crashes, and it will again, is to pump out even more and wilder lies blaming it all on the private sector.

I don't blame pre net parents and students for falling for the ruse, there was no "counter view" out there to discern the truth, but no excuse to fall for it going forward in the net age. Some still will though unfortunately.

 

Bullshit. Anyone learning physics or mathematics is learning how to think and to analyze information in new ways to find solutions to problems. This type of reasoning doesn't come naturally to most people - at least it didn't for me.

 

We are on different pages here - I understand and agree with your points from the perspective of parent asking son "What do you want to do with your life" (insert song "I Want to Rock") -- my apologies if you dont know the music video.

It is the path I chose - I should have chose business or law - would have been far simpler degree - and a quicker path to success.

Still - the path has served me well.

This is not why we are losing the race though - its not because "math/science" scores are too low. We only are looking at the top percentile of the bell curve - general scores where average Joe is at is not that relevant

What is relevant is that the environment the kid is in - stimulates his/her talents ..and so we enter into the realm of social science from this point on - How to get the most out of the product is a question of social science.

Then there are other kinds of intelligence - The ability to rise within a corporate structure - despite being not as good at the science as some others passed over. Political intelligence - the ability to project the perception of competence

Many other forms of intelligence do not involve the ability to do differential equations- How to assess the chessboard of life - this is a skill. How to assess the geopolitical chessboard is another. Political Calculus.

The reason we are losing - is because we no longer fight the good fight - our Gov't is corrupt - and doesn't give a fart about average Joe US. They are on a different gravy train.

How to generate a motivated society - is a question of social science.

We are still the largest economy in the world - it is that others have caught up. Global GDP is bigger at the same time -.. bigger pot.

If you would like a template for how to go after that pot - China is your nation. Good moves they have been making since Mao - went back to Confuciunism - there is a method to the madness .. and these guys are playing a high level game.

When they make a decision they get the best minds in a room - from a population of 1.3 Billion - then they just do it - its a quazi - dictatorshop - but one that allows a whole lot of freedoms - just don't mess with the Party - and there is only one.

 

They blare "eat cheeseburgers" at us, also. It's caveat emptor, in both cases.

In the meantime, this phenomenon of vanity education (thinking like aristocracy - historically, and still, the only people who could afford to 'do art') is a Western thing. Asians have never fallen into that trap.

 

A great many believe more investments in education are necessary, both to transition into the future, and build a better social environment. But education won’t get you there alone. An overhaul of the criminal justice system is mandatory — justice must be served equally. I could elaborate, but you generally catch my drift so I can talk past the point sometimes.

I hate the onepartystate, and I fear too many believe it’s the only way to move forward. Democrats with their neoliberal utopia, and Republicans with their corporate feudalism. I don’t believe personal freedom interferes with “progress” (progress sounds like a religion from some, but for all intents and purposes I mean forward momentum.) And the onepartystate always restricts personal freedom. We may have false choice, which manifests the philosophical question: is false choice better than no choice?

 

I also think it is much more than investment in education - it is what we are educating people in that matters. 12 years of school and we manage not to teach the basic principles on which this nation was founded - (respect for individual liberty in a nutshell) - legitimate vs illegitimate authority - and so on )

People are not engaged because they don't have a clue what our system is based on. They feel the System squeezing but they don't understand what or why this happening ... unmet expectations - motivation is decreased.

As you state - Corporate feudalism on the one end and Utilitarianism on the other - subjugation from both sides of the fence = unmet expectations.

In China - folks are far more free than they used to be - there is opportunity like never before - and so people are excited - motivated.

It is far more than this however - our system is broken - Publicly traded Oligopolies are not about innovation - and I have worked for many of them. They are about how cheap a part can be made without getting sued for safety violations.

I worked in a scientific/sales capacity for some of the largest. When you wanted to do some research into a promising area - the accounting dept would ask "what is our return on investment" - There is no friggen immediate return on investment on research - it is not quantifiable in many case - and may not even happen .. its "research".

You normally get "ohhh that is too risky" - and that may well be true - but a bean counter is the last person in the world qualified to make that decision.

What these companies end up doing is buying innovation. They will look for small companies who gained some edge - and just buy that company. In many cases in violation of anti competition statutes that are on the books but not enforced.

Dow Dupont merger - this was a larger one but never should have been allowed.

In China you have people doing real research - funded by real money - not some small start up scratching dollars together from here and there.

 

Working in the field of art media, it’s similar, have something taboo that’s unproven — good luck finding producers. Once there is something that cracks through, they all come crawling back, most of the time I like to say “go f—k yourself.”

There is more to life than money, (such is the cliche) and I find that the crux of our society. I’ve worked jobs being paid nothing and have found that intangible spirit, and the glossy job getting paid a lot with no camaraderie which is a complete soul suck.

The corporate ladder is no different, just less personality and a lack of hope. But we built our society on the social idea of “money” (fiat as it may be.) That is ultimately destructive leaving us torn between fascists and utilitarians. We build the structure, but hate the creatures that it manifests.

I don’t have answers to such complicated questions, anyone who does is selling snake oil. I support Bernie Sanders, who I believe is the only one who understands this complex. We can point out flaws all day, but there is only one who has the courage to face them head on.

 

As of 2019, Robert De Niro’s net worth is roughly $300 Million dollars.
https://wealthygorilla.com/robert-de-niro-net-worth/

I don't know if my source is correct,
but I'm sure Branson is not a millionaire but a billionaire.

 

So you saying people are ridiculous dumb in economics?

 

So what does that mean to you?