Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the B

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Was Trump justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the Bidens?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    They already know.
     
  2. Nemesis

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    That money belonged to America? Do tell!
     
  3. Heartburn

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    Only Democrats think you can get something for nothing, those folks are Ukrainians not Democrats.
     
  4. Nemesis

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    You mean the Articles of Impeachment? It's not a question of "believing" it---the witnesses all testified consistently with the findings, and the documentary evidence s consistent with the findings.
     
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    Oh, so it's OK to seek something that personally benefits the Impotus (help with his 2020 campaign) even though Congress appropriated the aid for Ukraine?

    Explain how that's remotely acceptable.
     
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    They all testified they heard something and gave an opinion.
     
  7. Nemesis

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    No, the FISA warrant was not illegal. I don't know where you came up with that whopper.
     
  8. Nemesis

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    Wrong again. Bonespurs is impeached.
     
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    I guess proving the Bidens are crooks would be helpful to his campaign but it would also be helpful to the US to end the corruption.
     
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    To what end? He's not going anywhere, still your President.
     
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    And let's hope will be held accountable for the false narrative and debunked conspiracy they created and used in their FISA applications and their abuse of power.
     
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    What findings? None of them had factual testimony to a qui pro quo or extortion or Ukraine being pressure.
     
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    yep, then when caught he confessed while also asking china to do the same

    in Trump's own words what he wanted from the call

    the reporter asked him, he answered..... all on video

     
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    the emails are now out there showing the money being held up, Trump confessed publicly, as did his staff and the witnesses confirmed the announcement requirements

    if the Trump staff could have cleared Trump, he would not be preventing them from speaking and republicans in the Senate would not be trying to keep them from speaking
     
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    I think some people are missing the point that it was not illegal for Trump to ask for an investigation into anyone, including the Biden's, if he suspected that American taxpayer money given as aid was being laundered. Otherwise, that would be the impeachment charge, but that is not the House Democrats' accusation. They had to insinuate why he made the request to try to get something to stick.
     
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    The dates of the temporary hold on funds to an "official" hold were already public knowledge before the emails. Doesn't matter. The funds were released 3 weeks before the due date.

    If you are accused of some bogus illicit activity, you don't have to go talk to the accusers unless they have filed an official report. You certainly don't have to round up all your friends and ask them to interrupt their schedules. Most lawyers would advise you to challenge any subpoenas in court.
     
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    So explain that job he got at the Ukrainian energy company.
     
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    Ukrainian companies commonly populate their boards with well-known names, to engender trust and confidence in international investors - and are happy to pay handsomely for the privilege.

    In this case, the board included the former Polish president, who encouraged Devon Archer to join the board, who later reached out to Hunter Biden for legal advice on sorting out the company's governance, which led to a legal consultancy role for Hunter, and later, a position on the Board.
     
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    You're begging the question, presumably in order to be humorous. But thanks for responding.
     
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    Plain facts. If you want to let your imagination run wild, have at it. Anything you come up with will be a flight of fancy.
     
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    You're bring disingenuous. No one questions whether the company needed legal advice. The question is, as among all the hundreds of thousands of lawyers in the world ...

    I am sure you can finish the sentence
     
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    As I said:

    Ukrainian companies commonly populate their boards with well-known names, to engender trust and confidence in international investors - and are happy to pay handsomely for the privilege.
     
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    Is there anyone in this thread who will answer my question? This gentleman will not.

    How, and why, did the company select Hunter Biden, as opposed to the unlimited number of actually qualified lawyers, to fill the position. If you say, "they created the job just for him," explain why.
     
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    no, your right, guilty people often take the 5th, which is why witnesses are subpoenaed and often offered immunity for their testimony
     
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    Everyone has been laser-focused on Joe and Hunter Biden because Trump brought their names into his conversation with Zelensky. There's another name that was brought up and I think it would do well if people paid more attention to it and that's CrowdStrike. By now, most of us know who and what CrowdStrike is but for those who aren't familiar with the company here's a brief background.

    CrowdStrike is a cybersecurity company located in California and it is undoubtedly one of the best in the world. They routinely work for groups like the DNC and many large U.S. companies and even international companies. CrowdStrike recruits only the best from the world of cybersecurity, incident response and digital forensics. CrowdStrike was able to pinpoint the locations of the Russia hacking houses and troll farms and shared this information with Mueller's special counsel. Thanks to their cyber-forensics and the data they gathered and provided, 13 Russian Nationals were indicted for conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and 12 Russian military officers were also indicted on charges of conspiracy to defraud the U.S., identity theft and money laundering.

    Trump started the rumor about CrowdStrike, "I heard it was owned by a very rich Ukrainian". Trump never said where he 'heard' this from, I would take a guess and say Putin, but it's a flat out lie and has no basis in truth whatsoever. Trump keeps cultivating this lie as he does with his others lies. He has been read into the facts by U.S. intelligence, but he continues to spew this lie for Russia's benefit. This propaganda comes directly from RT, Fox, and Brietbart News.

    Propaganda and Lies can be generated a lot faster than it can be refuted with facts. It's a Russian effort to smear CrowdStrike because quite simply Crowdstrike is one of Russia's opponents since it caught Russia committing their cyber crimes. Putin wants nothing more than to bag Ukraine for the DNC hacking and for possessing the DNC server. Both are lies. The server was never in Ukraine and Ukraine never hacked our election. But it's Vladimir's Putin's fervent dream to pin the blame on Ukraine, those that he is at war with, and to get the blame off Russia along with getting the sanctions removed that have been choking Russia's economy.
     

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