A U.S. Invasion Of Iran Would Be Suicidal

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Stopped with "Mainland Europe"?

    If you don't include Russia, very possible.
     
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    Just so you know, THIS IS ALL CAPS and this is 'bolded'. There's a difference, so chill.
     
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    I wonder how all this will affect ordinary Iranians:

     
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    Not sure I understand your question. A principle is simply an assumption used to guide conduct.
     
  5. ARDY

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    That is not the point

    is it better to be feared than loved? Is that a cliche or some immutable principle....?

    Is it better to be loved than hated?

    Is it better to be respected or not?

    Is it better to be thought of ad a credulous buffoon , or feared as an erratic buffoon?

    is it better to be admired and respected.... or feared like a rabid dog?
     
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    I would argue it's easier to control people through fear than with love.

    Could be wrong, but I think that's true generally anywhere you are.
     
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    The fact that being feared is better than being loved does not mean being feared will always achieve the desired result.
     
  8. Space_Time

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    Bernie Sanders could become the Eugene McCarthy of the 2020 campaign:

     
  9. ARDY

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    Such assumptions may be valid, or not in any given circumstance. To assume that it is always best to be feared, is a rather simple minded presumption.
     
  10. ARDY

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    well a lot of gold diggers seem to achieve good results by being lovable. The list of feared celebrities is short. And frankly, the list of feared people who became president is also short.

    as teddy Roosevelt said “walk softly, but carry a big stick.”
    He seemed to think there was more to it than terrifying people
     
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    Ummm,walk softly but carry a big stick implies that it works because they fear you.
     
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    Unless one is a child, all decisions involve some use of assumptions, i.e., what we have learned from our experiences and the experiences of others. If you think the the use of assumptions is simple minded then replace the word "assumptions" with "heuristics'.
     
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    I keep noticing how libs like to make these general comments, e.g., big boy pants and the like -- but when I asked earlier in the thread what you people would do if you were President I only got a response from our resident German friend.

    So your proposal for a proper response for our embassy being attacked and our contractors being killed is what exactly?
     
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    With respect to fear v. love Machiavelli was a political theorist. Not a personal relationship theorist.

    Since you quote TR, I recommend you see the movie "Wind and the Lion." This movie is not a 100% accurate depiction of history but the key TR line in the movie is, "the fleet sails tomorrow" , i.e., dispatching the US military to deal with the kidnapping of one American.
     
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    Other than the obvious, dunno.
     
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    The guy needed to go, hey. What took you so long?
     
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    You forgot to answer as well.

    Why have 3000 US military people departed to the ME (Kuwait?) this week?
     
  18. Bush Lawyer

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    I have no 'America hating position.' I do have a 'Trump hating position.'
     
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    Of course not. Even with all of the butt kissers in the Trump administration "they" would not let guy who sits on the Oval Throne invade Iran. The only allies that kapustahead has left is Netanyahu and the Israelis would be not enough help except in the minds of the Ignorancia.
     
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    If Americans are in their Lands, I guess they know and accept the risks of being there.
     
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    I for one do not "hate" the founder of Trump Univerisity but I just totally disagree with his behavior and his lies.
     
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    Of course I know that. Many here seem not to know that the US always wants us to hold its hand when it needs military support. Many here at PF are completely ignorant of the role Aus and NZ has played helping 'you' out, and not just in the ME.
     
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    It might be a good idea to research what your country does before you go bashing other countries for doing the same.
     
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    Many Aus/NZ service personnel don’t know what TF 66 is? I find that hard to believe because Task Force 66 was instrumental in Afghanistan with defeating the Taliban.
     
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    Sorry, but Iraq is not Iran’s land. Surprised you didnt know that.
     
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