Iran has admitted it shot down the Ukraine flight.

Iran blatantly lied about the incident, and then they went to great lengths to try and hide the evidence of their mistake. After those despicable acts, and only after the evidence of their guilt was too overwhelming, did they deign to fess up, and admit their mistake.

What do you mean by "never gave it a second thought"? The USS admitted that the Vincennes had accidently shot down an Iranian airliner, and the US launched an extensive investigation into the accident. The US also paid the Iranians a settlement of over $60 million dollars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

To this day, Iran still won't give the US the courtesy of accepting that it was an accident, and they still insist it was an intentional act.

All that follows is irrelevant.

 

These lying POS *******s knew the moment the plane hit the ground they shot it down but they LIED and LIED from the get go and actively HID the evidence....bulldozing the crash site....apparently tried to erase the black boxes....and ONLY came clean after the VIDEO was posted that clearly shows a missile hitting the plane.

And you still want to make excuses for these incompetent savages. Their current actions only further underline the fact that they can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.

 

This time I disagree with you, Jeannette.

There was nothing 'honorable' about what this dishonest, disreputable klatsch of Isamo-priests in Tehran tried to get away with. They lied, they distorted, they repeatedly denied, they blamed others, and they admitted NOTHING until it was glaringly, unavoidably OBVIOUS what they had really done. They were flat-out caught in their lies and the evidence was overwhelming... no one, not even 'friendlies' could defend them.

What amazes and horrifies me is that anyone could think a government that would attempt to get away with such BALD-FACED LIES should be trusted in something of such overpowering importance as an "agreement" involving thermonuclear hydrogen weapons and ICBM's....

 

The Russian's did not have a role in bringing down the flight - other than giving the separatists in Ukraine surface to air missiles.

We have given terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria - surface to air missiles - perfect for taking out civilian airliners. Lets hope we do not see more planes falling from the sky through the use of our missiles.

Iran does not need to blame Trump - It was Trump who escalated the crisis - resulting in Iranian retaliation - which resulted in the plane being shot down - for the same reason the Malaysian Flight was shot down - being mistaken for an enemy.

 

I agree that americans lie about everything . But at the same time I don't see the iranian authorities honorable.

First if they really didn't want to prevent this they would clean off the air beforehand. Isn't it obvious for even a private in military to notice this ?

Second if they are really honorable so why did they lied at first why did they say it was a technical issue.

Third they are really untrustworthy. I mean look at the dark nature that they cut off internet for a week and murder 1500 protesters ( more for sure)

As I said earlier they did that on purpose. And there's no way in the hell that it's an error.

 

They’re the enemy—their ignorance and stupidity are their curse and America’s blessing.

 

It’s not your passion I fault—it’s one of your characteristics I enjoy—nor is it your criticisms of certain American foreign and domestic policies; it’s your over-the-top anti-Americanism, and your betrayal of Russia and Putin as saints saving mankind that I find distasteful.

 

Lol....show all evidence of this "lie".....from credible sources free of viruses, errors. And live videos.)

 

Truth Distasteful and further labeled


YOU are challenged to link one reference proving @Jeannette incorrect
on the facts of any of her uploads.
Please flag me when you do so I don't miss it.

As opposed to being a victim of MSM Programming / Indoctrination.
Americanism is about truth. Not taking sides regardless of truth.


Moi

Did It! ​

 

This one. Damn.


The truth: Putin is a dictator who murders his opposition; Trump is a wannabe dictator who admires Putin, as well as others, but can only call his opponents rotten names. That’s the truthful difference between Americanism (Individualism) and Russian Nationalism (collectivism).

 

Always assume the worse when you know the extent the US went to hide the truth about the shoot down of MI7 - not to mention everything else. Seems like a lot of projection to me. All we ever get is a 'trust us' from Washington.

If you don't believe me watch the first video proving that our State Department lies about everything. The first part of it are a repeat of lies to demonize Russia. If you get on to 3:58 you'll realize when questioned by the reporters, that there is no basis to any of the accusations, and that the only intent was to demonize Russia in order to cover up our own bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan.

The second video is Pompeo saying how they are taught to lie, cheat and steal in the CIA, and the 3rd video is a Ukrainian oligarch and the Governor of Ukraine admitting they shot down MI7 by mistake, and that they wanted to shoot down the plane numero uno was in - which would be Vladimir Putin's plane. It was in the vicinity at the time, and was the same size and had the same colors as the MI7..








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I don't know why the Iranians at first said it was technically impossible for them to have shot down the plane. However, they did not try to keep others away from the investigation, except for refusing to give the US the black boxes.

Here's something from Moon of Alabama. It sheds a lot of light on exactly how the plane went down and also shows that the Iranians did cooperate with the Ukrainians in the investigation.

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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...ently-shot-down-the-ukrainian-plane.html#more

Another leak (ukr) from the Ukrainian side of the investigation gives some hints on how the plane came down (machine translation):

"We took up the restoration of fragments of the aircraft. It was necessary to determine how these pieces of metal dumped into a huge pile should be interconnected.

The intrigue remained until late. The fact is that there were no damages on most parts of the aircraft. There was no explosion and no fire in the engines or on the wings. It is possible that the plane could fall almost intact. Unlike the remains of the Boeing MN-17, there were no immediately visible signs of defeat by combat elements on the fuselage and wings. A lot of damage to the case is the result of a fall. But after laying out all the fragments of the aircraft, it became obvious that the bottom of the cockpit was missing.

Among the wreckage, fragments of the upper part of the cabin were identified. And then the find finally took place - at about 22 hours. On a fragment of the cockpit, we found holes in the damaging elements of the warhead of the rocket, which pierced the skin. We found! For the first time, direct evidence appeared in this case, which made it possible to prove what caused the death of the aircraft. For us it was a turning point.

So what we now understand:

Russian anti-aircraft missile "Tor" hit the liner in the lower part of the front of the fuselage, directly under the cockpit.

A direct hit and the cabin flared up inside. Instantly turned off the transponder of the aircraft, which gives signals about the flight. Instantly lost contact.

While there is no data, one or two missiles have caused such damage. It is possible that the second missile also hit the fuselage from below close to the first. But all this remains to be clarified.

We continue to lay out fragments of the aircraft until the complete collection of all surviving parts.

We expect that today we will gain access to all objective control data.

In cooperation with Iranian colleagues, we get the impression that those who contact us sincerely want to help themselves and figure it out, in general, there are no problems. Let's hope that such a mood and working contacts remain with us now."

 

That is your opinion

The challenge was to provide a link of truthiness
like with evidence -
contrary to a @Jeannette claim.


BTW without being a or politically active I was first
among family & peers to evaluate The Vietnam War as a product
of indoctrination and lies on people.
We in are lied to.
s become indoctrinated too easily.

You have such a link, maybe in the future, please share.
Or take the last word between us now on this topic.
I understand it's the 21st Century.
How I Feel About It = TRUTH.
Facts just create confusion.

 

Pretty sure they were warned that if they attacked us, we'd respond. They chose to attack us anyway. Consequently, shooting down their own jetliner was an overreaction on their part to their own choice to fire rockets at us. They spooked themselves. At any rate, had we attacked, it seems likely that they'd be too busy shooting at ghosts to address us. Americans don't want war with Iranians. The whole time that Soleimani was carrying out death plans on our troops, we were not at war with Iran. Irans leadership has been sniping our flanks for decades. And it has been my observation that most Americans have a measure of admiration for average Iranians.

 

If you can't give us objective facts as to why you consider Putin a dictator, then you are following your passions and not your reasoning. Also if you cannot give facts as to why Trump is a wannabe dictator who admires Putin - which he might, but not because he sees him as a dictator, but rather as a shrewd competitor and a challenger to America's hegemony.

As an American I advocate free enterprise - not capitalism, something we're losing today to the corporations. As an example I had found a fantastic meat service for my Christmas ham that delivered the next day with no charge. (Best ham I ever had, and $50 less than elsewhere). I became suspicious and realized it must be a large corporation that want's to knock out the small business'. I was right, it is a large company.

As for Russian nationalism, it's rare. Nationalists are usually Western Europeans, and of one ethnicity and Russia consists of many ethnicities. This doesn't mean that in Moscow they didn't resent all the people coming in from the Caucasus. They did! But when the Chechnyan's showed their loyalty by sacrificing their own lives in Syria and Ukraine, the Russian opinion of them changed.

 

Putin hasn’t been to Australia.

 

So, just a coincidence you think?

 

Trump did say that so it makes sense that they will have been somewhat nervous.

Well Trump knew they would have to respond. As it was they probably could not have responded better. They let you know what they could do without killing anyone. It was just a warning but if you insist then you know you will lose a lot of lives. American's do not like losing their own.

They had to respond. Iran will not allow you to destroy them without taking down as many of yours as she can with her and that is a definite. Trump knew that Iran would have no option but to respond. Possibly he was wanting something a bit more like the sort of thing the US does so that the US could go to complete war but so far Iran seems to be the more canny.

We do not know the full story but obviously it is the US throwing International Treaties in the bin and US terrorism which has created the problem. If having been given information that Soleimani would be in Iraq at that time for a meeting with the Saud's to discuss de-escalation, the United States had not chosen to kill this man and escalate the situation, a lot more people would be alive now. The US is way off the page for ignoring International Law and protocols. N o country could trust the US now. They are the biggest rogue state in the world. The wanton killing which the US has been doing from its armchair since 9/11 is horrendous.

I don't think this is correct. Soleimani was helping you against the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9/11 and working against Isisi in recent years. I think there is a bit of misinformation being given to the American Public. Here is some more honest information for you.

well I may have been a bit harsh on you but what I have seen over the past week or so is a arrogant hatred which at times is near to demanding genocide of the people of Iran. It is deeply concerning for the mental health of the people of the US and their hangers on.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/478031-rouhani-apologizes-plane-iran-ukraine/


“[Rouhani] apologized on behalf of Iran for the tragedy that took the lives of 176 people. The head of the Islamic Republic also fully acknowledged that the tragedy was caused by the erroneous actions of his country’s military.”



An RT Link Can't Be True.
So swear too many "on board".

ABC=NBC=CBS=Fox=PBS=BBC
All have the same news stories daily.
No one "breaks a story" anymore.
Censorship by choice of story!
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And that boys & girls is why a foreign - non Western
news outlet should be considered.
Al Jazeera
RT, etc.

 

Whether the Iranians are honorable in other things I don't know. What I do know is that they were honorable in admitting this - something we haven't been with MI7.

The officer said he had 10 seconds to make the decision. Funny you would say that, because in Ukraine the MI7 was sent into a war zone and yet you probably never disputed it.

Because they didn't know. Read Woog's quote from Moon of Alabama. From what I gathered, it wasn't until the end of the examination that they found the marks confirming that the plane was shot. Since you're so insistent otherwise, I can only assume you're projecting our own actions in the same circumstance.

If they cut off the internet that would be a precautionary measure, I'm sure we would do the same under similar circumstances. As for murdering 1500 protesters, how do you know?

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It is because-a I said it is.

FINITO!​

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So the system who murdered almost 200 people should be exonerated because they say 'sorry' but the people who call them names are evil ?
You've got things backwards.
If you cannot discern between a commercial flight and a missile, you are not running a defense system but a garage.
So much for the fabulous Iranian army.
Bunch of barbaric murderous fanatics who are capable of murdering civilians, but not much else.

 

The US shot down a Iranian airliner, does it make a garage, too and a bunch of fanatic babarians, who are capable of murdering civilians, but not much else?

 

Yes he has, and the Russian navy was standing guard just in case anyone tried any funny stuff.

 

Not really, Iran tried to cover it up. Only after the Western intelligence service started to provide proof and videos showed up, did they finally admit this error.
It was a tragic human error, but nothing more.