Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

Attack me on a different front, Langley -- I took several of economics and business courses, too, although the actual degree was Bach. of Science, *cum laude* (sorry... couldn't resist).

The courses I'm talking about? You find them in all real 'colleges' (that have more than two bathrooms). The typical lower-division 'survey course' crap they use to keep bottom-feeder instructors on the payroll and to pad the instructor-hours for the tenured ones. The courses I'm talking in this thread about were not in "history" or "psychology" but in the sciences.

How do I know it was bullshit? They taught us all this crap about how, in essence, the world was going to starve to death, run completely out of oil, and would be permanently wrecked and polluted because of incipient world-wars, brought on by the fact that we in 'the West' consumed way more than our "share" of natural resources. Oh, and ALL of this would occur before the year 2000! .
Ergo: Bullshit!

Now they're telling us that we're all going to die in 20 years because of carbon dioxide -- which makes up a whole, whopping 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere! Here we go again....

 

Just more of your tedious sneering (see above).

 

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Even without global warming, the climate changes with floods and droughts, here and about, according to nature, all throughout human and earth history. Toss in several dozen arsonists during a drought, and it becomes a recipe for disaster. Then there is the earths warming trend in which we now live and which began about fifteen thousand years ago on the tail end of the last ice age, making it that much worse. Whatever the level of influence of man made global warming, these things would happen regardless, though maybe not as quickly.

 

Once again you ignore the evidence before you.

"Evidence
1. Arson happened
2. The fires were used to promote the man made global warming theory
3. The man made global warming theory is promoted by the education system.
4. A significant part of the population now believes that the survival of the planet is at stake
5. Political leaders promote irrational doomsday thinking"

 

You took survey courses taught by TAs...?

The colleges and universities save money by having junior faculty teach courses taken by non-majors who treat the classes as an unpleasant tasks to be endured, not a learning opportunity.

Right--classes in physics, chemistry, biology, and engineering I took instead of survey courses. How about you? Did you take courses for students majoring in Political Science and History?

Geezuz, where did you go to university?

 

Repeating your BS won't make it true.

 

Sarcasm doesn’t read well in text.
None of those posters indicated that was their intent. As such, I took their words at face value.

 

Already discussed within the thread. Read or don’t.

 

Are you saying that man made global warming has not been reported to be a cause of the fires in Australia?

 

Your source says...

"If the permafrost is damaged, plants also suffer. Fires, floods, or unusually high temperatures can thaw frozen ground. Trees growing in boreal forests are threatened. Sometimes, their roots become so weak that trees tilt and fall over. These trees are sometimes called a drunken forest."​

Trees can and do fall over in areas of permafrost damaged by high temperatures.

 

Nope. You said the fires are being used to promote theories you don't like.

 

Please stop--I can't stand it.

 

OMG. What will you come up with next?

 

The United States?

 

With a warming planet it’s reasonable to expect some hot days. Have you considered what a pickle we’d be in with shorter growing seasons, less growing degree units, and low atmospheric CO2 concentrations?

You do realize your country raised excellent crops in 2019? Well above the ten year average. That’s actually quite common for warm years. Scary things like floods and such make good headlines, but the realities of biology and physics are that growing degree units are king.

 

Why dodge the question?

Man made global warming is a theory.
Again: "Are you saying that man made global warming has not been reported to be a cause of the fires in Australia?"

 

Any ignition, from arson to dummies tossing lighted cigarettes out car windows, is more of a problem when abatement measures are unadequate.

 

Is that supposed to contradict something from my posts?

 

Right up until the point where they are not.
You do realise that extreme weather events can wipe out crops and result in low yields?
I know from previous conversations with you that you have a good understanding of climate science so what part of my argument are you disagreeing with?
Sure, short term gains in your locale may be beneficial for now but what happens if the predicted increase in extreme weather comes to pass?
I doubt that any reputable climate scientist really believes that we can reduce global temperatures but the majority of them are convinced that we must stop the current warming trend.

 

If I maintained any frost for 24 months, yes, I have discontinuous permafrost.

 

The implication of the word "used" is the problem.

 

Here is the relevant part I guess you missed.

“Not all permafrost is tundra. Boreal forests do sometimes move into areas where patches of permafrost are mixed with seasonally frozen ground.”

This is a description of discontinuous permafrost

 

Not a cause, a mitigating factor in the severity and frequency of the fires.
Global warming didn't start fires it just made them worse.

 

Who theheck bales hay and leaves the bales atop frozen ground for a couple of years? Maybe Daryl...

 

There nothing complex about the simple fact that weather is not change in climate.