Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

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  1. Starjet

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    Good deal. Thanks Israel. Let us know how to return the favor.
     
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    Balderdash. Iran- and rightfully so- want to cut the tentacles of the Zionist project in the Middle East. The average Jewish falafel merchant is of no relevance. Indeed, this noble project can be done without nukes.
     
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    https://truthout.org/articles/fasci...he-groundwork-for-full-on-authoritarian-rule/
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    It would appear authoritarian America will have Israel and Saudi Arabia as its allies.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    July 13th 2008

    cont'd https://www.countercurrents.org/fleming130708.htm

    More links on this issue

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=Chris...s=n&sk=&cvid=1cf2894d5619495ab1c1441908ff4da7
     
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    100,000 Palestinians enter Israel every single day to work there legally and about half as much illegally.
    The interaction is much more tight than people imagine.
     
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    Isn't this old news Alexa?

    Israel has controlled the US government for many long years, and has long wanted American soldiers to die so that Iran might be subdued, to advance the notion of Greater Israel.
     
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    Not objective, not fair and we can play that game too, stick our noses to Iran internal affairs state it's our business how they treat some neighbor or minority and declare they must be destroyed !
     
  8. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The date was 14th January. I accept it is what is to be expected although the reality is that it is far more American Christian Zionists who are the advocates of this support than American Jews....both in numbers and that American Jews tend to vote democratic - and I seem to remember a majority of them were against moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem at that time.

    I thought it was interesting that Israel and the US were working on this together while the US ignored its supposed allies who had died for them. This included Britain whose military in the area who could possibly have suffered a response. Given that Boris has said we will need to find a way to fight wars without the US it is possibly a new beginning. US, Israel and Saudi Arabia allies together. UK Europe and maybe some others also working together.
     
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    Never did Iran or Hamas accepted the 2 state solution, they ALWAYS said Israel as an entity must be destroyed - go ahead and ask Iranian Monitor about the Iranian "solution" to Israel, it's called "Greater Syria" - not go back to 1967 lines ! ask him, I did.
     
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    Greater Israel....wanting Americans to die....what about christian babies blood ?

    Does "Greater Israel" include Sinai desert and Lebanon ? care to explain why Israel gave those up after having them ?
     
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    You play that game all the time. You play it by saying anyone who does not share your view is an antisemite - not you but Israel. I am not sure if the protests are still going on but you were killing people and deliberately damaging them for life for Protesting. You believe in Might is Right and that is what you are doing taking away the tiny section of their homeland which was to have been their state. You are in Syria regularly killing Iranians.

    Your behaviour is dreadful and you were going to be stopped. The Labour Government elected in 9/11 was determined to stop the US from encouraging you to not follow Oslo. Your behaviour was not accepted. The only people who benefited from 9/11 and benefited well was Israel as your PM Netanyahu said as his first response with a smile 'It is good for Israel'.
     
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    What ? how is that even close to meddling in internal affairs and declare we have to destroy a country we don't even border with ???
     
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    The PLO accepted the 2 State Solution.

    often - but not always

    What is true is that the Zionists have never accepted the 2 state solution - and as part of the quest for conquest of the promised land - the Palestinians must be subdued and/or destroyed.
     
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    Alexa thinks Iran destruction issue with Israel is about the Palestinians and I answered they are not even interested in any peace talks so its obviously not about the Palestinians, so PLO position is not relevant.
     
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    This is where you pretend that all things could be stopped with no talking. You know perfectly well that Hamas were being worked with by an MI6 and that he had got them to the position where he believed they were ready to be included in talks and were open to a state on 67 lines. At this time Israel broke the ceasefire they were having killing some of them. Being stupid they responded. Israel then went crying to George Bush that they had attacked them completely ignoring that they were the ones who had done the first attack. George Bush got on to Tony Blair who people say is a Christian Zionist and he got on to Germany and told them it had been decided that Hamas were to be treated like ISIS rather than what they were which was people fighting colonisation of their country. This would allow Israel to use her world class army against civilians. You would also be able to assassinate political opponents without any criticism form them. You could build prisons to put political activists in without trial and basically the decision had been made to allow Israel to do exactly what you wanted and Blair hoped after Germany the EU would give up all its responsibility as one of the 4.

    You know all of this because I told you time and again when you were arguing it was all Hamas's fault and I gave you the link about this to an article written by the man from MI6 who was working with Hamas. Israel used the same trick it always does. It provoked Hamas by killing them and when they stupidly responded Israel went crying and Bush agreed this was how they would act.

    Without 9/11 you would never have been allowed this response. Never. The 1997 Labour Government were determined that they would work on the US and stop them stopping Oslo. You have been allowed to act in an inhumane way towards the Palestinians you never would have without 9/11. No Liberal Democracy would have allowed this basically persecution of a people which you have been doing to the Palestinians to go on - but neither you nor the American Christian Zionists who are in this together are in for Liberal Democracies. The Zionists who got the upper hand were into fascism and that move towards fascism has in recent years moved from Israel to the West so that you even find the ideas which the UN was set on as something only crazy leftists would do.

    What we have is an agreement which came from Bush prompted by the neo cons, Christian Zionists and Netanyhu to allow you to act inhumanely with the Palestinians and be dishonest about what you were doing which they would back up. While doing this you would be taking over the land that was to have been the Palestinian State and any other land that it says in their bible Jews have. The Palestinians to them are not human beings so nothing matters what happens to them - indeed I hear people saying they want a genocide on that. That along with Clean Break has seen you destroying the ME - or if you like other people giving their lives so that you can get what you want just by killing and no need of negotiation. I never would have guessed that the West would have sunk so low when I was growing up. When the far right claim 'we don't have the life we had' no because you colluded with it being destroyed for Israel.

    That the final game for the Christian Zionists results in the death of most Jews is just the end of this, one of the most lamentable and cruel games in the history of the world.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When exactly have you ever tried to talk to them and was it when you were reframing from killing its people?
     
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    I didn't talk about internal affairs. I spoke of your murdering and deliberately giving life threatening injuries to Palestinians for Protesting. These killing and injuries included children and the press who were reporting who had press clearly written on their back and the Medics who were clearly medics. Your army had on its twitter or whatever that every killing and injury was deliberate.

    The only reason Israel has chosen not to declare borders is her intention to make them go further by taking over other people's lands as you are doing up in the Golan heights now pretending it is yours - which it is not regrdless of what Mr Trumps says.
     
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    Of course the PLO is relevant to your claim that they have never accepted the 2 state solution - and of course the Palestinians are interested in Peace talks - Israel refuses to bargain in good faith.

    This one sided diatribe with respect to Israel is common here in the US - demonizing one side of decades long blood feud while casting the other as angelic.

    Both sides have done bad things over the years - and the list is long - this recent targeted assassination on the part of Israel being just one example indiscriminate killing of civilians - and bad faith combined.

    Every country in the world recognizes that Israel has engaged in violations of international law, and other things - up to and including war crimes.

    There is this segment in the US that - based on Fundamentalist religious ideology - regard Israel as "the Chosen ones" - fulfilling God's plan for the universe.

    I have nothing against Israel or Jews in General - but - I do not regard them as "Gods Chosen People" - and most Jews do not regard themselves that way - being the logical and rational folk that they are.

    The religious right - as with any cult - is driven by "Black vs White" "Good vs Evil" "God vs Devil" paradigms - that are neither logical nor rational.

    These paradigm's are part of what are known as "Sophisticated Mind Control Techniques" - and it comes in varying degrees with that crowd.

    The Military Industrial Complex loves and thrives on this Propaganda - and such propaganda narratives in General. - keeping conflict alive is good for business.

    The Establishment loves such propaganda as well.

    Facebook censors explainer clip recalling when western media liked Soleimani – and demonetizes popular account for sharing it

    Dan Cohen
    "Despite being 100% factually accurate, Facebook censored my video on how Soleimani led Iran's fight against ISIS and demonetized @IntheNow_tweet's account. Apparently the truth violated "Community Standards". For now, you can watch the segment here:" https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/1215719997965623296 …https://www.rt.com/news/478382-cohen-soleimani-video-censored-facebook/

    Watch the clip -its short - and tell me why this is being censored? - and where was our MSM on this issue - having anything resembling rational discussion of the pitfalls of violating the millennia old covenant against targeting the Diplomats/Leaders of other nations - and giving an objective and relative comparison of the crimes of Soleimani vs the Crimes of some of our leaders ?

    It is called "the Sin of Omission" - combined with propping up the "Good vs Evil" false narrative and paradigm.

    Propaganda is a multi multi billion dollar industry in this nation - as of 2013 - our intelligence agencies are legally allowed to disseminate Propaganda on US citizens - not that they were not doing this previously - just now - it is "State Sanctioned".

    Google "Propaganda - Edward Bernays" - here is one link - https://theconversation.com/the-man...rnays-and-the-birth-of-public-relations-44393

    This is not some conspiracy theory - its a multi Billion dollar Business Mate :)
     
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    What is this "Zionist project" in the Middle East?
    I thought the absolute goal of Israel it to live in
    peace with her neighbors.
    The absolute goal of Fatah on the West Bank is
    shown on their Facebook page - it is to re-take
    Jerusalem with violence, with Islam as the weapon
    and her children as the ammunition.

    Jerusalem, BTW, was Jewish for two thousand
    years before Mohammed invented his violent
    religion.
     
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    Thanks for that.
    I understand that many Arabs came from Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc to live
    and work in Palestine when the Jews began draining the swamps and planting
    crops. These Arabs were torn between exploiting the new opportunities of
    Jewish labor and capital, and wanting to stop more Jews living in the land.
    That's where the violence began.
     
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    The violence began when Arabs, many of whom emigrated to Palestine because of new
    economic opportunities, resented the growing presence of Jews.
    In the Jezreel valley for instance the Jews purchased what Arabs and Turks said was
    worthless swampland. After much effort, malaria deaths and malnutrition the Jews
    returned this valley to what it had been in ancient Israel days. To this day the Arabs
    say the Jews "stole" this land off them.
     
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    Well, POOhbear, the Zionist project in the ME is primarily concerned with ensuring that Jewish economic, cultural, and political power remains dominant throughout in the world.

    Yeah, it was Jewish. It wasn’t white and European Jews colluding with Americans evangelicals, that’s for sure!
     
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    Yeah sometimes you have to protect the fragile from the reality of the world.
     
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    Are Jews more 'equal' as another nations?
     

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