FINALLY: Missouri Lawmaker Files Bill to Prevent ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Child Grooming Events

You are incapable of making the intellectual distinction between signs of affection and sex?

 

The science isn't settled. No gay gene has been identified, no combination of genes has been irrefutably linked as a biological determinant. The high rate of co-ocurring mental illness/abnormal sexuality coupled with the fact that many come to later realize that they're not gay/trans/whatever is highly suspect.

I don't believe the Amish are a cult, and besides, not all cult members are willing participants, or even enthusiastic about whatever they belong to. I'd agree that the folks who cut off their junk because the comet was coming to take them away were probably unwell. They were probably sought out for that reason.

 

then it's foolish of you to suggest that it's indicative of a mental disorder.

equally no psychological link has been made between homosexuality and mental disorder.

you are pointing out correlation not causation.

When an ice cream parlor on the beach sells more ice cream there are more shark attacks does selling ice cream there for cause shark attacks or are they merely correlated?

it doesn't matter they fit the profile.

that doesn't indicate that they aren't cults.

I would think people who are either shunned by their family or blackmailed into being part of a cult stand a much higher chance to develop mental disorders then people that aren't in that predicament.

 

I think the major complaint is that it's inappropriate. That being said nobody is forcing this on anybody else. I think the reason why it's happening is to trigger the people complaining about it. I think that was the purpose for its creation and nothing else. It was to piss off the Bible beaters.

I've seen that manifested in a lot of places and I understand it. I just think it's misguided. All an LGBT person has to do to piss off a Bible beater is exist. What this sort of thing does this drive away the moderates.

Whereas I understand it, and even empathize with the sentiment, I think it's a bit much.

 

I'm not asserting that homosexuality (etc) is for sure 100% absolutely mental illness each and every time. But, it wasn't until the late 80's that it was removed from the DSM, and the early 90's when the WHO dismissed it. Again, that coupled with the incidence of mental illness amongst the lgbt, and those who suddenly "change" and realize they're hetero... well, I'll say I hardly believe the progressive narrative of "perfectly normal, healthy, and natural, nothing to see here"(in spite of having no conclusive scientific evidence of their assertion). Anecdotally, I can't say that I've known anyone from that community who wasn't neurotic. Also, there's the simple fact that despite whatever biological forces may be at play, ultimately it's still a choice people make.

So with that said, I'd just really like the lgbt community, and their allies, to leave children out of the equation. It's not unreasonable, or much to ask for.

 

I would agree, my guess is someone makes the request from the library, the libraries complies, their friends come, then it's over as no one else goes - I do not approve, but if it's not forced on anyone, don't want to go.. don't

 

I don't know how you can say that it is in a single case.

it was in the mid 70s that it was removed from the DSM II. It was removed because no legitimate link could be made between homosexuality and mental illness.

How do you judge neuroticism? By what metric or clinical evaluation?

Your claim that it's ultimately a choice goes against the little science that we have on it.

Is that based on your expert opinion that there is some causation between homosexuality and mental disorder? What clinical research have you done? Who have you studied under?

 

I don't know how you can say that it is in a single case.

it was in the mid 70s that it was removed from the DSM II. It was removed because no legitimate link could be made between homosexuality and mental illness.

How do you judge neuroticism? By what metric or clinical evaluation?

Your claim that it's ultimately a choice goes against the little science that we have on it.

Is that based on your expert opinion that there is some causation between homosexuality and mental disorder? What clinical research have you done? Who have you studied under?

 

Yeah I agree with this.

 

Dunno what my entrenched position would be on this, but for starters let's see what people reckon about clowns reading to kids in a Library for an hour?

 

Well is two gay men kissing affection or sex?

 

Depends on the clown. If it's a stripper clown that's not okay. If it's a horror movie clown that is also an appropriate unless it's a Halloween thing. But if it's just a children's entertainer type clown, and they're not telling dirty jokes I don't care about that.

 

But you assume that abnormal sexuality is perfectly healthy, normal, and natural - all the time, am I right? You seem to be implying as much.

I judge neuroticism when it's displayed obviously, as it's defined. The non-binary people I referenced are all people I knew fairly well, and I'm referring to many people I've known over the years. It's hard for me to logically conclude it's mere coincidence that all of them are nuerotic. And as an aside, I no longer befriend openly gay men, because each and every time they try to cross the boundry of simple friendship. I'm actually grateful for that, it's given me an idea of what it's like for a woman to be approached by a creep that she has zero physical attraction too. Not that I was ever forward with women to begin with.

Of course it's ultimately a choice. Are you trying to say that humans are mere automatons, powerless against their urges?

 

No. I don't. I just think it's less healthy to pretend you aren't gay, trick people into dating and marrying you, or let people control your ability to seek happiness because they think being unusual is wrong. It's about playing the cards you were dealt, not checking out of life because it's less than perfect.

I think you are inferring.

So anecdotally, and from an amateur perspective.

Non binary has nothing to do with sexual orientation

Non binary people or gay people?

Okay.

no, I'm not trying to say anything of the sort. I'm not saying people are powerless against their urges. I don't think the desire to find a compatible mate is an urge. You can't force urges to exist that don't. If you doubt this try being gay.

I'm certain it isn't a choice. If it was I wouldn't be gay and norther would most of the gay people I have met.

 

It's just a clown dressed in the usual clown stuff. Any problem with them reading 'normal' books to kids in a very public place for an hour?

 

No, I don't really even have a problem with a man dressed up like a woman. Drag is a sort of burlesque performance. It's saucy and suggestive. In the US at least. It's not like a strip club but that might be because it's men portraying female characters.

In fact I remember a couple months ago there were complaints that drag was misogynistic. It was men mocking women.

 

I wonder if kids can differentiate (appearance-wise) between a drag queen and a clown?

 

Could they differentiate between a stripper and a woman in a bathing suit?

 

I am not sure what you mean. Surely, by 'stripper,' you are referring to someone who is a stripper but is at the Library not stripping.

 

What are you talking about a library for?

 

See the OP.

 

I was responding to your comment about whether a child could tell the difference between a drag queen or a clown. Where was the library in that scenario?

 

So let's say in a decade you find yourself as others who've decided they're actually hetero; would that mean you were wrong initially, or wrong for believing you're actually hetero? There would be a choice to make, and you'd certainly have some questions about what you've been lead to believe about sexuality, that's for sure.

 

I am most certainly not hetero and I never will be. Heterosexual men don't have sex with a man and like it. If I found myself inexplicably attracted to a woman for the first time in my life is think I was bisexual.

If it were possible a choice that was made I would have never been gay in the first place and neither would any gay person I have had that conversation with.

If you go back and forth between women and men you are bisexual.

 

Considering that some gay and trans people realize that they're hetero (notice I didn't say bi, though I'm sure that realization is had also), isn't it a bit premature to assume that you'll never find yourself in that situation? Presumably, they were also certain of who they were, otherwise why would they live that lifestyle?

So were they wrong initially, or are they wrong in thinking they're actually hetero?