Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Really? Capitalism actually.

 

Sure, they just caucus with republicans for the good will. What ever.....

 

And caucused with republicans and voted with them

hysterical...
Ron Brown caucused with the gop, ran in g
op primaries for president and voted with them the vast majority of the time....
Totally laughable.....libertarians are 18 th century Neanderthals.
They are worse then the gop in mantpy respects. Did Ron Paul ever have any legislation of his own passed. Check before you answer. His son is a bigger joke.

 

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why death rates have increased since the ACA instead of going down if your theory is true? Let me guess...you didn’t know that fact.

Voluntary cost sharing doesn’t work for whom? You didn’t even know it was a thing. I mentioned it in 2-3 posts before you were able to figure out it existed. Now you are an expert on it. Wow. Have you ever researched the particulars? Run the numbers against your current plan?

Voluntary cost sharing likely won’t work for irresponsible people and authoritarians. They need rulers. You keep working to ensure your betters will take care of you. Let better systems work for others who possess the necessary character traits.

 

Show a reference.

 

Not necessarily. Some of us live in the world-of-the-possible and look for the best option, sometimes having to settle for the lesser evil. In this case, I think Americans will turn on any party that takes away affordable health care.

I think the GOP might support a medical voucher plan in the hope they might limit who gets the voucher and for how much.

Yes, and it made affordable insurance available to millions of Americans.

I don't think most people thought "it would fix things."

I sold life insurance and quit when they got on my case for selling term insurance instead of whole life.

I'd like to see the evidence it caused higher doctor fees even though I agree with you about insuring only what you can't afford to lose.

They might if the school curriculum wasn't under the insurance industry thumb.

I presented the principle of insuring only what you can't afford to lose. It wasn't in the curriculum, of course, but who cares?

It can't be socialist if production isn't collectivized.

Collectivizing production is what socialism is about. Public education is typically collectivized, as are police, fire protection, p

With the exception of government providing a service you pay for with a fee, it redistributes income. Who pays the tax isn't who gets the government benefit.

Not sure what you're saying.

You're already "playing." Nearly 50% of Medicaid goes to help indigents--less than $2,000 in assets and low incomes--with nursing care. See if you can get out of paying taxes for Medicaid.

I have to pay for some of your skilled nursing care if you don't have $7500/month. Is that enough for you?

 

I would never compromise with the gop on healthcare . This is why we still don’t have UHC and every-other civilized country does. The gop is only civilized to rich people even if it fks themselves.

 

They started off in the 80's. They were called Yuppies, aka Young Urban Professionals.


They're Republicans sans the Moral Indignation.

They're "fiscal conservatism" got them into serious credit card debt by the early 90's.

This was my generation, and these folks tended to be dix.

Their real life hero that inspired them was Reagan, but they longed to be like Gordon Gekko.

 

Exactly......generally, they think everyone should be self sufficient until it comes time to get into a nightclub front row seat. They want to jet set with the libs.

 

Why? You throw wild assertions around without any evidence. Have you shown anything I’ve stated to be incorrect? Clearly you need help, so here you go.
Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in United States was reported at 8.5 in 2017, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.



This adds context.


And again, it seems whoever is feeding you talking points is either misleading you or is ignorant of facts.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

No reference then....back to making stuff up.

 

Not impressed with your put down of someone willing to pay higher taxes to take care of fellow Americans. What about the guy who doesn't want to pay for what he feels is a bloated military? Is it okay to make defense taxes voluntary? How about those of us who don't want to pay for the idiotic "war on drugs?" Or public schools?

 

Medicaid is capitalism ?

 

Is not being fiscally conservative, taking out loans one can't possibly hope to repay, and call it profit?

 

Ha ha
Before the ACA,there was no national healthcare system. Since, states have been sending in vital statistics they never did before. Of course they’ll be more deaths reported when more states sent in stats to receive federal funding...a real brilliant observation on the part of the right...

 

Your "solution" for health care is what? People too young, too old, or too sick to work get what?

 

Liberal actually means:

1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
2. favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedom
3. (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform
4. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience.
5. (from old English) worthy of a gentleman.

I am thus a liberal.


Libertarians are mostly frauds. They are conservatives who deceptively use the language of liberals. I've heard it said that libertarians are just conservatives who want to smoke marihuana and to seek out the services of certain women.

 

The Libertarians began in the 70's. In Colorado. It began because a couple of conspiracy minded individuals were upset that Nixon had taken the United States off of the gold standard. Never mind that the US hadn't really been on the gold standard for quite some time. It was just a formality.

A few of them got elected, mostly by using the language of liberals, but once in office, all acted like hard right conservatives. Their scam only worked once.

About the same time Joe Coors, also from Colorado, of Coors fame, founded the Heritage Foundation because he was upset that Nixon had embraced environmental protections. The Heritage Foundation is the think tank behind Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump. Behind what has become the ideology of the Republican Party. Sean Hannity is their most prominent spokesman, not counting Trump.

Want to know how conservatives came to believe and act as they do? Unfortunately the seeds came from Colorado. Fortunately Colorado has mended its ways. This time next year, Colorado will have two Democratic Senators, solidifying its blue (and green) status.

 

It wasn't hard to learn the make, model, and year of nearly every car on the road.

Exactly what people do.

 

Agree on lesser of evils. I’m on the outside looking in and don’t have a personal dog in this fight. I do want what will help the most and hurt the fewest and let those who want freedom retain it. Nobody can yet take away affordable healthcare because nobody has provided it yet.

Well I would hope it would be means tested no matter who is the administrating party.

$388/month for a 27 year old doesn’t sound affordable to me.

I’ll clarify. Most people who supported it thought it would fix things. We were told it would.

I respect that. A lot. Whole life is theft in my opinion.

I think we are living with the evidence. When some metric exists that allows providers of anything to charge more than the natural market will bear, they will do so. Increasing total healthcare spending includes two factors, increased consumption and increased cost per unit. The cost per unit increases are strongly correlated with increased percentage of revenue to providers coming from insurance instead of directly from consumers. Of course part of this is a function of demand, but that is where the concept of only insuring things you can’t afford to replace comes in. Demand increases that drove price per unit increases were not all “real” demands. For example, out of pocket consumers will take a tablespoon of lemon and honey at home, whereas the insured will see a doctor and get/fill a prescription for a zpack even if they have a viral infection. Since the insurance company is then billed at a higher rate than the consumer could/would have paid, premiums are raised to maintain or grow profitability. To be clear, I’m not denying some demand increases from increased insurance coverage are legitimate. But in a lot of cases the consumer disconnected the “free” treatment from the rising premiums in their mind, and the cycle self perpetuated.

I used to have a more readable graphical representation but I can’t find it. This is not great but the correlation can be seen between increasing insurance coverage and price per unit increases. What really messes up figuring all this out was rampant inflation in the 70’s 80’s and subsequent mandated price controls.

Agreed. That’s why I’m opposed to monopolies in education.

I’m sure you changed the whole trajectory of some students lives because of that. Someday one of them will thank you...if they haven’t already.

Personally I agree. But self proclaimed socialists here in the past have disagreed. Go figure. To be clear, my position is opposition to being forced to pay for poor choices of others, and certainly to having to participate in substandard mitigation efforts on their behalf. I’m open to everything from deregulation to collectivization as long as there is an opt out. Preferably simultaneously on both ends.

I prefer to refer to these examples as individuals providing a public good. Collectivism is more an ingrained abdication of individualism to me. I won’t quibble the point though.

Again, public goods are different to me than straight up redistribution. And the taxpayer is supposed to get benefit. There aren’t supposed to be free riders. But now we create and encourage free riders intentionally. This is not the role of government.

I’m saying protection of private property and redistribution are antithetical. They simply cannot both be simultaneous legitimate functions of government.

Yep, although as a self employed person with a lot of deduction options an widely varying annual incomes, it is possible to pay very little SS tax. But Medicaid is certainly one you are stuck with. What I mean is I don’t play the game of comparing healthcare to public goods. My point is if healthcare is a public good, so is my water, food, and recreation for mental well being. There has to be a line somewhere. Where is it for you?

I’ve personally chosen and set up my life/end of life to avoid that circumstance. When I say I’m opposed to these things I mean it.

 

Ummm. Medicaid?

 

I don't agree with them, but I think some libertarians are for real.

 

I’m not looking for accolades. I’m not impressed by people not willing to do something on their own but are willing to use other people’s money instead.

And healthcare is not a public good to me. That argument won’t work on me. And I’m vehemently opposed to my taxes fighting the war on drugs, war on non aggressive foreigners, and monopolized government education. None of these are legitimate public goods as they exist today either.

 

How ironic. A thread about educated vs non-educated devolves into a discussion expressing libertarian ideology.