Why would anyone vote for a Democrat?

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  1. Kat236

    Kat236 Well-Known Member

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    I’d like some insight into why anyone would vote Democrat. I understand they were, at one time for the blue collar worker, but today it seems they work harder for illegals than for the citizens.
    I haven’t seen any recent campaign where they promote what they would do for the citizens of our country, only what they will do for illegals, how they will offer free education, the new green deal, and Medicaid for all with no explanation of how all this will be paid for. ...And, to me anyway, most importantly I see this socialism Bernie started pushing in 2016 has only gained momentum, and this scares the **** outa me cause it seems no one is taking it seriously.
    So please let me know why anyone would vote for a Democrat.
     
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    Folks that want what other people worked hard to get. To put it bluntly they are too lazy to put forth the effort to get the same things.
     
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    Odd!

    Medicaid is something Republicans have denied to several dozen citizens in the southern rural states, despite the 10s of millions of citizens who need it.

    The New Green Deal is to try to avoid making our childrens country and the world suffer from making a mess of things.

    Free education for children to go to school if in the country legal or illegal. You want to have millions of children to hang around all day with nothing to day and have no skills? Get rid of the kids who shouldn't be here FIRST, then there are no problems.

    We just have paid BILLIONS of socialism tax dollars to our big agribusinesses. We have made billions of refunds to our big businesses who paid ZERO taxes.

    The whining you complain over Bernie's "socialism" is suddenly bad after endless freebies for billionaires, but some college tuition, trade school, low cost medical care, all of which are investments to make America Great, are all too expenses.

    Anyone who wants to make America Great is going to vote Democrat, and let us get rid of the leeches Trump's scumbags have invested in our Country's leaders Whitehouse and Republicans.

    It would be nice to vote Republican again!
     
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    I found a part time job in 2010 and was fulltime by 2013 because I work hard. During the time from 2010 to 2016, my raises were in the $0.10 to $0.30 cent per hour range. In 2017 I got a $1.50 raise and never less than $1.00 an hour raises per year till now. My life is SO much better with that extra money. My 401(k) has doubled in value, why on earth would anyone except those receiving handouts from the Government want to vote for a democrat?
     
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    I don't know, but someone with a memory might consider the great gains on Bush's years that ended up with the biggest losses and financial losses since the Greatest Depression.

    And Trump appears to be duplicating another "Trickle Down, Stock Market Up" based on utterly devoid of true value again from Bush! His apparent need to have a war or two or three coming out of his bag tricks ready to hand it out as needed clinches that deal.
     
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    You're thinking of capitalism.
     
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    Bernie Sanders and the Founding Fathers have a LOT in COMMON!

    They are BOTH opposed to rule by an OLIGARCHY and wanted to make sure that We the People had a government OF the People and FOR the People.

    They both embrace the concept of a Single Payer Healthcare system. (The FF created one for sailors.)

    They both embrace REGULATION of firearms and owners. (The FF's passed the Militia Acts.)

    They both embrace the concept of EDUCATION so as to have an informed electorate. (Benjamin Franklin started the first public library in the nation.)

    Those that were OPPOSED to the Founding Fathers supported the RULING OLIGARCHY of their day just as those who oppose Sanders and the Green New Deal support the CURRENT ruling Oligarchy of the Wall Street Banksters and the Establishment leaders of both the DP and the GOP.

    So the question would be better phrased as why would anyone want to vote for PROGRESS and the IDEALS of the Founding Fathers?

    A vote for PROGRESSIVES like Bernie is the same thing as voting for WE THE PEOPLE, in order to form a more perfect union, do ordain to establish a BETTER FUTURE by UPHOLDING the principle of the GENERAL WELFARE of ALL CITIZENS of the United States of America in accordance with what the Founding Fathers originally wanted!
     
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    1) Medicaid is unconstitutional

    2) It's not my responsibility to pay for your or anybody else's anything

    The Green New Deal is just another attempt by the left to choke off economic production and seize control of the means of production.

    CO2 IS NOT A POLLUTANT, and man's activities are not driving climate.

    1) Federal involvement in education is unconstitutional

    2) Since the Feds have become involved, test scores have plummeted, and America is now well down the international rankings.

    In short, Americans are being systematically dumbed down.

    This deliberate, and comes from the top-down. Democrats carrying water for the ruling elite.

    1) Corporate welfare is just as unconstitutional as individual welfare.

    2) This type of welfare is every bit as prevalent for both Democrats and Republicans.

    The only difference is who is getting paid off; and, of course the Dems lie and demagogue on the issue.

    Again, all of those things are unconstitutional.

    Pay for your own education and medical care. I did, and I do. I don't need to be paying for yours too.

    I am not a Republican, and as bad as they are, they are at least a reasonable option.

    The Dems are a complete leftist disaster.

    Obama was a terrible President, and his administration was the most corrupt in our nation's history. Truly disgusting.
     
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    Do you actually believe that most Democrats don't work? Really, do you believe this stuff? I make six figures, not counting my spouse's income. I don't think I qualify for free stuff. I have never voted Republican. I vote consistently, even in midterm elections, for Democrats.

     
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    I kind of like all this "unconstitutional" vibe!

    Tell you what! I will support of not having your "un-constitution" stuff if all the stuff that the War machine stuff has zero dollars for anything except for the troops and ONLY for direct payroll to workers at all of the businesses like Raytheon, Locheed, Boeing, General Dynamics, Northroop, etc..

    One dollar to any CEOs and other managers, no stock payments, no retirement, etc. Nothing than the median payment of workers for all these owners and managers.

    After all, that is all is corporate and power ripoff. If they are such Patriots, they will pay nothing.
     
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    " Why would anyone vote for a Democrat? "

    To restore America ........... Trump has made the USA a Monarchy that the world Laughs at

    Trump is ill equipped to Lead .......... Lacking morals, character and the Temperament required
     
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    It boils down to this, do you want a President that is very Presidential and tells you what you want to hear but does little to nothing to fix America's problems? Or do you want a man who tells it like it is, but does the job you voted him to do? We were in bad shape when Trump came in. Obama turned America into a low paying service economy with over 90% of his 11 million job creations in the service industry. With millions of those jobs also part time. We lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs and was told we had to except the fact manufacturing was gone and not coming back and we must except America was going to be a service economy. Our armed forces was a mess with 75% of Navy and Marine fighter jets and heavy lift helicopters unable to fly. Some of the Navy's ships needed long put off overhauls and some of their subs, had been out of commission up to four years. The V.A was a mess, over the years thousands of our veterans died just waiting to get in and get care. Trump fixed all of that. Plus started up day care help for needy one parent families. Started job training for people with little to no skills so they could get better jobs. Has done several things to cut the price of medicine and health care. Dozens of other improvements to make America better. But the bias news and Democratic Party won't tell you because they want the Democrats back in power and don't want Trump rocking the boat. They don't want Trump draining the swamp. It's making them and their family rich while keeping you dependent. They are trying to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. Are you so blind you can't see it? Or so Party faithful you don't care?
     
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    The current US Military-Industrial-Complex can be classified as unconstitutional since the Constitution STIPULATES only the COMMON DEFENSE of the nation. Anything beyond that is superfluous and unconstitutional since it amounts to aggression.

    So yes, we could downsize the military budget by 75% and still have more than enough capability to defend ourselves in the event of an attack by another nation.
     
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    Your criminal IMPOTUS has NOT created a single well paying job with benefits!

    Furthermore 25% of ALL jobs under his fiscal malfeasance pay LESS than POVERTY LEVEL wages!

    He hasn't "fixed" anything at all!
     
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    Huh?

    Because of the Trump Administration’s pro-growth policies, high labor demand is leading to increased employment and growing wages as businesses raise pay to attract workers. Nominal average hourly earnings increased at a 3.1 percent rate year-over-year, making November the 16th consecutive month that this measure of wage growth has been above 3 percent. Before the start of this streak, nominal average hourly wage gains had not reached 3 percent in more than 10 years.
     
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    You need to watch more than CNN and MSNBC


    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar workers are shrinking the wage gap


    Monthly reports on the number of new jobs and the unemployment rate can drown out important trends like these two: After four decades of worsening, wage inequality has started shrinking. And in a twist, America’s blue-collar workers are playing the biggest role in driving that reversal.

    This may come as a surprise, because education is classically seen as a ladder up the income scale. Despite blue-collar workers often lacking college degrees, their wages have been accelerating faster than those of their white-collar counterparts.

    For example: In the past three years, white-collar workers, the sector that the Bureau of Labor Statistics classifies as “Management, Professional, and Related Occupations” and which encompasses 40% of the workforce, have seen their wages grow by nearly 7.5%. During the same period, all other workers, a group composed almost entirely of noncollege grads, have seen their paychecks grow by about 10 percent.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...equality-shrinking-economy-column/1955329001/
     
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    Everything you list is what created under your previous Republican administration. Loss of jobs, of income, lost of retirement, veterans dying without care, there's few day care help, under Trump medicines are jumped by hundreds of percent and more every day, people losing healthcare and we still have millions of the poor get NO Medicare from Republican states, Trump has hired billionaire after billionaire in charge of the Swamp and who make the Swamp become a Black Hole!

    The only blind are the Trumpies who have been filled with lies and utterly BS, Trumpies now make all of the daily lies from Trump are "jokes" or "sarcasm!"

    This list of stories is off the wall!

    Man, I sure wish I could get the kind of money that some of the Trump Propagandists are sending out!
     
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    Pay gains during Trump’s first year in office best since the Great Recession


    Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    The Employment Cost Index, a measure of salary and benefit costs, registered a 2.6 percent gain for the full year, tied for the best since 2007, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported.


    President Donald Trump’s first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama’s eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.

    The ECI numbers match other indicators that show wage inflation is heading higher.

    The Atlanta Fed’s Wage Growth Tracker index showed the year ended with a gain of 2.9 percent — off the eight-year peak of 3.9 percent in November 2016 right after the presidential election, but still well above the 1.6 percent crater in January 2010.

    “After years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages,” Trump said in his State of the Union address Tuesday evening.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps-best-since-the-great-recession.html
     
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    How does having more people working at any times in our history, having the lowest unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics, in their history and having the highest stock market in our history and the biggest wage gains sense 2007 working for you? September 8 at 5:12 AM ·

    Record 157,878,000 Employed in August
    “The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,878,000 in August, the 21st record set under President Donald Trump, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Susan Jones reports for CNS News.
    “The unemployment rate held steady at 3.7 percent. For blacks, the unemployment rate dropped to a record low of 5.5 percent last month. And for Hispanics, the... Unemployment rate was 4.2 percent in August, which ties the record low set earlier this year.”
    Click here to read more.
    “It’s been a lost summer for the Washington Post,” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham and Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley write in the Washington Examiner. “Despite record-setting accomplishments in record-setting time, data shows the news coverage of Trump has been 92% negative. The most egregious and dangerous forms of this bias thrived this summer at media outlets like the Washington Post, which routinely masquerade opinion as news.”

    A whopping 266,000 jobs was created in November, with 54,000 manufacturing jobs created. All the while Canada lost jobs. Economist are blown away and Biden predicting a recession.
    Like


    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 · Pay gains during Trump's first year in office best since the Great Recession. The Employment Cost Index, a measure of salary and benefit costs, registered a 2.6 percent gain for the full year, tied for the best since 2007. That gives President Donald Trump the best wage gains since the Great Recession, easily topping any during former President Barack Obama's entire term.


     
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    Thank you for establishing that you do not understand what is Poverty Level income.

    https://www.thebalance.com/federal-poverty-level-definition-guidelines-chart-3305843

    Assuming that you are a single person actually earning poverty level wages that is $12,760 per year or $6.38 cents per hour.

    A 3.1% increase on $6.38 is a massive TWENTY CENTS an hour increase or a whopping $395 per YEAR!

    With the PRICE INCREASES caused entirely by your feckless criminal IMPOTUS's insane trade war that makes it vanish.

    One out of every FOUR hardworking Americans is in this predicament thanks to the LIES and INCOMPETENCE of your criminal IMPOTUS while he WASTES MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars ENRICHING HIMSELF by playing golf at his own resorts.

    Strange how you support him while he screws over your fellow les fortunate Americans.
     
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    The opinion of a blogger means squat!

    Produce the ACTUAL BLS data and let's see if it checks out!
     
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    Wages, Obama Economy's Weakest Link, Now Surging Under ...
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/...
    Wages lagged badly during the Obama years, even as the economy recovered. But since the Trump tax cuts, wages are again surging. It's no accident.

    Lets see who was being screwed

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    Most of my sources have been from the far Left if you noticed
     
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    Did you do the MATH?

    Obviously you did NOTHING of the sort!

    What is the difference between an Obama gain of 2.2% and your criminal IMPOTUS's gain of 2.6%?

    You are BRAGGING about a measly 0.4% that has been SWALLOWED up by his Tariff MALFEASANCE and the COL?
     
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    Failure to produce the actual BLS data duly noted FTR!
     

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