Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by learis, Oct 13, 2015.

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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    19.2%
  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

    2 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. Other

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    65.4%
  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Which will have multiple sections. Which section of the marriage law of just ONE SINGLE state are you referring to? I'll be STUNNED beyond belief if you are capable of doing this! :roflol:
     
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    More importantly, concerning THE LAW!
     
  3. rahl

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    I do not need to cite 50 separate links to state marriage laws. You are perfectly capable of looking up any one of them.
     
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    Thank you. And no, I have not failed to do anything. I have no way of citing 50 different state marriage laws. You can google any state you wish though. They are all the same.
     
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    What a church recognizes is irrelevant. If it isn’t legal, it’s just a ceremony.
     
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    You know what actual means
     
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    Your claim, your responsibility. We're not asking for all 50. Just one will do. I suggested Maryland already, but pick a state.
     
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    A claim without supporting facts. Your claim of a fact is still a claim until you support it.
     
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    Sorry, you realise that most of those ceremonies include the signing of the legal documents, right? At least that's how it works in Australia for the few people who still get married in a church.
     
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    I'm not asking for the definition of the word actual, I'm asking your definition in the context of what you're saying.
     
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    That's actually somewhat off from what we are disputing. Many places have laws which allow for clergy to sign the legal paperwork. It's a convience law. There are still some places that requires you to get the legal paper work signed at the designated government office, thus necessitating.

    Rahl's argument is if that paper isn't signed, regardless of who signs it, then no marriage exists in any form. He claims it's only a ceremony then, showing that he doesn't grasp the difference between a wedding and a marriage.
     
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    it isn't a claim, as you are well aware
     
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    it proves if a marriage isn't legally recognized, it isn't a marriage.
     
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    it shows you what is required to be a marriage. if it isn't legally recognized, it isn't a marriage.
     
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    yes, as long as the religious ceremony is legally recognized, it is a marriage. If it isn't recognized, it isn't a marriage.
     
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    and you know what it means
     
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    Until you can actually show the evidence, and not just claim it is where supposedly exists, it is. Quote the section of the Ohio law that proves religious marriage does not exist.
     
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    So far all I have seen is that if it isn't a legal marriage it doesn't get legal benefits. Nothing to deny the existence of other marriage types. Quote the part that shows other marriage types don't exist.
     
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    I've shown the evidence, as you are aware. The citation I gave you from Ohio, shows you what is required for it to be a marriage. a religious ceremony without the proper marriage certificate, is not a marriage. Simply a ceremony. Same way a ceremony between 2 closely related people isn't a marraige, and the same way multiple "wives" isn't a marriage.
     
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    which is what marriage is. Anything else is a ceremony.
     
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    Quote the section that supposedly shows that other types of marriages do not exist. You have yet to prove that a marriage cannot be of other types that don't receive legal benefits.
     

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