Trump and religious liberty -- Militant atheists have met their match with our president

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  1. Moonglow

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    That is already allowed yet for some reason the article in the OP acts as if there is absolutely zero tolerance in schools about people being able to pray.
     
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    I don't care what he said personally. The founding fathers did not say "the" to a specific god or "our" to an inclusive god. Each person is endowed by "their" specific to them.

    And let's not forget that the only two mentions of religion in the constitution are to exclude it from government.
     
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  3. Moonglow

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    They pass out mini-Bibles in my youngest son's school yet there is no religious freedom in schools? I guess so since they do not pass out other religious text because of the administration.
     
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    In the middle of a class........shouldn't be for the same reason a person can't disrupt a class with their freedom of speech.
     
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    They just don't want it like when we were in school and the prayers were over the intercom and before and after sporting events where it was detrimental for people who refused to join in.
     
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    Government school? Unconstitutional.

    Legal Update: Passing out Bibles in School
    Declared Unconstitutional
    http://www.dubnerlaw.com/school-law-updates/distribution-of-bibles-in-schools/
     
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    Wrong! When did we become an independent country? Was it not 1776? Did we not celebrate a bicentennial in 1976? I still remember it. What is it exactly that we we celebrate every July 4th? What did we fight a revolutionary war against the then greatest empire on earth for? My history books say that we had a constitutional convention that chose to ditch the articles of confederation in favor of a new constitution for an already existing nation.
     
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    A revolutionary war and the following Treaty of Paris in 1783 says otherwise.
     
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    Wrong, GOD allowed Satan to persecute Job.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-stories/bible-story-of-job.html
    In this Bible story from the book of Job, there is a wealthy man named Job residing in an area called Uz with his extended family and vast flocks. He is “blameless” and “upright,” constantly mindful to live in a righteous manner (Job 1:1). God brags to Satan about Job’s virtue, but Satan contends that Job is only righteous because God has favored him generously. Satan dares God that, if given the approval to inflict suffering, Job will change and curse God. God permits Satan to abuse Job to experiment with this brazen claim, but he forbids Satan to take Job’s life in the manner.
     
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    They don’t have to say anything about it. All they really have to do is push for the policies that atheists voted for, just like other politicians who push for the policies that religious peoples vote for.
     
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    Speak English!
     
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    Thanks for sharing your incompetence on the topic.
     
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    Religion yes....but our faith in God can be freely expressed. Government cannot establish a "religion" aka Catholic church or Church of England, but cannot infringe on our right to express our faith.....just as Lincoln did. Secularists often want to deny that expression.
     
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    Lucifer was God’s top angel, the most powerful and beautiful of Gods creations. He sinned. He became jealous and had envy. He wanted to be like God and tried to take the role of zGod the son and began agitating among the other angels and persuaded 1/3 of them to join his rebellion. There was a war in Heaven and they lost and were cast out. They came here where beings created in God’s own image were created and persuaded them to rebel as well. We are living now here as a result of all that. That Lucifer is in fact the devil, Satan in most references to that evil being, the origin of all sin, rebellion, and misery that exists in the universe.
     
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    Dude, I'm quite familiar with all the mythos around the Christian mythology. You're not saying anything new to me. That you want to believe this as "fact" is totally a question of faith. Issues of faith have no place in government, or where tax dollars go. Period.
     
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    Science has also displayed exactly how a 12 week old baby interacts within it's mother. You should watch it sometime....it might soften your heart. Good for you. You give to Doctors without borders. I support many doctors that do the work and they do it in the name of Jesus. Does that offend you? At two years old I watched my Son in neonatal ICU flatline during a heart operation. As he slowly began to recover, I saw on the TV a bunch of angry atheist women carrying signs for NARAL promoting their right to kill the unborn. I promised God at that point that on behalf of all the surgeons and nurses that because He saved my son, I would help to end abortion. My son is 30 now.
     
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    And what about my freedom to not listen to your religious mumbo jumbo?
     
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    By and large, they were restored by Godly men and women who fought for them from the very beginning of our founding. Read about Betsy Ross sometime. God given rights have been restored under our system of government. You want to badmouth it....go ahead. There are many like you. Perhaps you prefer a Godless nation like China or Sweden.
     
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    Ok. No relevance to my post. We are not a Christian nation. There is no mention of any god in the constitution.
     
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    Yeah I know many of you godless types like to stifle freedom of speech unless it follows your line of thinking. You are free to attack my faith and you do calling it mumbo jumbo. You just get upset when the attack is returned.
     
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    but Christians in this Nation will not be silenced. Live with it.
     
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    Oh yes! Those damn dirty godless Swedes!:deadhorse::roflol:
     
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    You're the one who wants to be able to freely proselytize. What about my right to be free of that? Do non-believers, or those of other religions, not have that right?

    And for what it's worth, if your religion is so sensitive to criticism, then keep it to yourself!
     
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    Nobody is trying to silence you. You have a first amendment right to say anything you want and believe in any god you want. Just like I have a right to point out how silly such beliefs in imaginary sky fairies is.
     
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