As a non-partisan, I saw the SOTU address as a declaration of war...

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  1. rahl

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    I just showed this claim to be abject nonsense.
     
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    You mean the one where the Obama administration actually did sell guns to Mexican drug cartels, did target groups with the IRS, and did allow our Embassy to be over-run.

    I asked for the "unfounded" ones.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, you did.

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/world/americas/operation-fast-and-furious-fast-facts/index.html

    'Fast and Furious' Probe Clears Holder, Faults ATF and Justice
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTU...s-holder-faults-atf-justice/story?id=17274903

    If you have other right wing myths you believe in I'd be glad to disabuse you of the untruths.
     
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    What I know is your characterization "the Obama administration actually did sell guns to Mexican drug cartels" is a distortion of the truth and thereby fits nicely in your portfolio of right wing myths and intentional misrepresentations of facts.
     
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    It's in the link that I provided, not surprising that you missed it.

    I find that Bernie's lack of condemnation of the statement is far more troubling.
     
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    No, it's not.

    Not only does your CNN source say they did sell guns to drug cartels, it says it's not the first time they've done something similar.

    Perhaps you could explain why Obama took Executive Privilege to protect Holder.
     
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    Er...

    No, you didn't. You only repeated the hoax.
     
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    That is the individual.
    Feel free to educate yourself.
     
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    He did sell guns to cartels. He did not target groups with the IRS, and he did not allow an embassy to be overrun. No embassy in bengazi was attacked or overrun.
     
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    no, I pointed out nobody forced trump to abuse his office by soliciting a foreign government to investigate his domestic political rival. he did that himself and got caught. Nobody forced him to ignore lawful subpoenas, thereby obstructing congress. Both of those are demonstrable facts. He remains impeached for doing both.
     
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    Thank you for your admission that you cannot cite an instance where a Republican called for the shooting of all liberals, as per your - apparently false - claim.
     
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    Sure. Never happened.

    Good luck finding someone to listen to your nonsensical statement.
     
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    You know this statement is not true.
     
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    Because after Holder had testified before congressional committees investigating F&F 9 times (instead of stonewalling like Trump) and turned over 7,600 documents (instead of stonewalling like Trump) it became clear that Issa was using the matter as part of the GOP's strategy to manufacture scandals. So, Obama SELECTIVELY chose to claim EP with respect to some documents (unlike Trump who invoked non-existent "absolute immunity" for all witnesses and documents Congress sought.)
    Furthermore, Holder was exonerated by the IG because he had no knowledge of the program which was being run out of the ATF office in Phoenix.
     
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    I know that reality often tends to clash with right wing ideology. And I'm sorry you have trouble accepting it. But that doesn't make it go away. everything I posted is demonstrable fact.
     
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    I did not see where he called for “jailing everyone that is a Republican”. Feel free to direct quote it.

    He is not a representative so I don’t care what some random person says.

    I have shown several elected Republicans that have called for violence or justified it, you saying that some random field organizer is comparable is laughable.
     
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    Of course nobody forced him to do anything that never happened.
     
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    Ok. Have a good day.
     
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    Your attempt to cite elected Republicans who called for violence failed, as none of the cites you provided did any such thing...
    ... which is why you need to move the goalpost, above.
     
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    I accept your concession.
     
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    both happened. that is in no way debatable, lol.
     
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    Already done
     

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