Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    LOL! More warming in the 20y since 2000 than in the 20y from 1920-1940?? The absurdity of such claims refutes the source.
     
  2. NullSpot the Destroyter

    NullSpot the Destroyter Well-Known Member

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    Alrighty then! Lets break it down: Do you agree that 1 °C is all the warming that a doubling of CO2 (without the feedbacks) will cause?

    The radiative forcing caused by a doubling of atmospheric CO2 levels (from the pre-industrial 280 ppm) is approximately 3.7 Watts per square meter (W/m2). In the absence of feedbacks, this energy imbalance would eventually result in roughly 1 °C (1.8 °F) of global warming. This is easy to calculate using the Stefan-Boltzmann law and is undisputed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_sensitivity#Different_forms_of_climate_sensitivity
    1 °C after 300 years of accumulation in the atmosphere isn't very much, amirite? Which feedbacks do you think will result that could cause an existential crisis for the human race?
     
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  3. bringiton

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    Not a factor in the current range compared to other factors, but that is not the same as not a factor right down to zero. If the sensitivity is 0.1C, the effect would be undetectable in the climate record because the variability is too low relative to the noise. But that would add up to several C between the current range and zero.
     
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  4. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Ridiculous as the overall trend regardless of your little interval variations, is obvious.
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  5. NullSpot the Destroyter

    NullSpot the Destroyter Well-Known Member

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    Well that’s typical of climate change "science", because just in late 2018:

    The Earth is generally regarded as having warmed about about 1° C (1.8° F) since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, around 1750. In 2017, two professional papers generated much debate in both the popular press and professional literature about whether this figure is correct. Schurer, et al.argued the rise is 1.2° C (2.2° F) and Millar, et al. claimed the rise is 0.9° C (1.6° F).
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhener...earth-warmed-and-does-it-matter/#2427cc9d5c22
    But now, Shazam! Just a year and a half later, it’s 2 °C!

    Gotta love climate science where the only sin is not raising temperatures.
     
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  6. bringiton

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    If that meant anything, it would be wrong. Even your graph shows the visually obvious ~60y cycle. That explains the rapid increase 1970-2000 and the hiatus since. It's overlaid on the secular rebound from LIA lows to more normal Holocene temps. That's all. Why do you claim that an increase in temperature from the coldest 600y period in the last 10Ky can only be explained by CO2?? Where is your evidence that all of the natural cyclical factors that caused all the previous century-scale warming and cooling phases during the Holocene have ceased to operate? Where have all those factors even been identified, let alone rejected as possible causes?
     
  7. dagosa

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    Lefties, oh, the ones in Iran, and Saudi Arabia and where else ? Starting listing all those leftie ideas that exist, not only in every free world country......but every country. Trump is a mental invalid to think AGW is a Chinese hoax. . I’m never going to sign on with a criminal con man. . You do what you wish.
     
  8. dagosa

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    Keep looking at the graph over the entire industrial revolution. Maybe the overall trend will make sense. It does to me because I know HS math and the average rate of change INCREASES regardless of any particular interval. In real life where few things are linear, it makes sense to me because nasa ( and every-other gov. climate study organization) feels the same way. In the wizard’s world, not so much.
    Sorry, I don’t believe any point your trying to make. I trust math.
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  9. NullSpot the Destroyter

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    Leftists are everywhere, for example they were all over Venezuela before things went dark. Then they got rich while people starved. It's what Leftists do.

    As for "Chinese hoax", I can see why Trump said that: If Hillary had won instead of Trump, we wouldn't be energy independent, instead we'd be screwing up our economy to keep to ridiculous Paris accords guidelines, while the Chinese wouldn't be impacted at all. Cui bono? If you didn't say "the Chinese" you've fallen for the hoax.

    As it is, thanks to Trump's policies:

    U.S. leads all countries in reduction of CO2 emissions since leaving Paris climate accord
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...ons-since-leaving-paris-climate-accord-886749
    So now that you know what a climate change warrior Trump has turned out to be, I assume you'll be voting for him in November.
     
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    Nope. The overwhelming vast majority of scientists say you are wrong. Sorry.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still pedaling that lie ??? That’s a white flag.
     
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    That's a good thing, but who knows when it will happen.
     
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    Sorry, you didn't seem to have a grasp the rain/water cycle. You still don't. You do know how to deflect from the subject.
     
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    OMG, all that palaber and still no direct reason why I'm wrong. Tell me where the water goes if it's not in the atmosphere or on the ground?
     
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    Really? You have different data?

    Please post it!
     
  17. NullSpot the Destroyter

    NullSpot the Destroyter Well-Known Member

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    OK:
    UAH Global Temperature Update for February 2020: +0.76 deg. C
    March 2nd, 2020
    The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for February, 2020 was +0.76 deg. C, up considerably from the January, 2020 value of +0.57 deg. C.​

    This is the warmest monthly anomaly since March 2016 (+0.77 deg. C), and the warmest February since 2016 (+0.86 deg. C), both due to El Nino warmth. Continuing weak El Nino conditions are also likely responsible for the current up-tick in temperature, as I recently demonstrated here.​

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    The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.13 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land).


    Gosh! At that rate, in a hundred years, global temps will have gone up a whole 1.3 degrees C!

    Or they would if it weren't for that meddling Trump:

    U.S. leads all countries in reduction of CO2 emissions since leaving Paris climate accord
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...ons-since-leaving-paris-climate-accord-886749
     
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    Only if you read it with a closed mind
     
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    Duh, hot air holds more water. Plus of course climate change will effect distribution of rainfall.
     
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    Duh is right ^^^. How much more water can the warmer atmosphere hold compared to the total amount of fresh water on the earth ?? There will be more rainfall which is beneficial. I'd recommend thinking things through before you embarrass yourself again.
     
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    Only if you read it with understanding.
     
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    Yes, the Orange Man has unleashed fracking which has lead to the reduction of CO2 emissions in the US. Unfortunately there remain states under Democratic leadership whose alarmists in charge are committed to not reducing CO2 emissions.
     
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    I can't deny it, if the earth doesn't stop cooling, there will be no end to flu season.
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    You can’t read my response can you ?
     
  25. dagosa

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    Back to your selected interval response. Math isn’t your thing I see.
     

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