Challenge to Democrats/Leftists: If you believe climate change is an existential crisis, prove it

What part? That Democrats want to arrange things so they're not out of power again? Wake up.

You think Leftists running the Democrat Party are concerned with the environment? Not when they sport around in private jets and live in McPalaces. What they want is to make sure most Americans end up like the citizens of Venezuela or Cuba: formerly wealthy countries that were converted to socialism, and thus only the nomenklatura are rich, and everybody else is too busy scrabbling around for food to pay attention to the corruption at the top.

 

Your claim only makes sense given a thermodynamic system that is far from equilibrium. If the beer in your refer is 4°C, increase the refer temp at a constant rate of 1°C/century, and you'll have something like what AGW theory implies about the Earth/Sun thermodynamic system. After a century, stabilize the refer temp at 5°C and tell me that beer's gonna keep on warming.

 

As long as the last temp increase was up the beer will be warmed by it.

 

Makes as much sense as "the last rational number before 1."

 

You seem like a smart guy. Give this a read.

Specific heat is defined by the amount of heat needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of a substance 1 degree Celsius (°C). Water has a high specific heat capacity which we'll refer to as simply "heat capacity", meaning it takes more energy to increase the temperature of water compared to other substances. This is why water is valuable to industries and in your car's radiator as a coolant. The high heat capacity of water also helps regulate the rate at which air changes temperature, which is why the temperature change between seasons is gradual rather than sudden, especially near the oceans.

https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/...ce_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects

 

Nothing new there.

 

There is no evidence for your paranoid BS claim about Democrats. You're stirring up hatred and thereby positioning yourself as part of the problem in this country.

Yes.

Oh, please--this doesn't mean they aren't prepared to give up their lifestyle as we might move toward a solution.

There's something really sick about the crap you're pumping out.

 

To the first point: green technologies that have already been developed in the private sector (after research in public education institutions and elsewhere) , eg PV panels and wind turbines, should be deployed in a nationalised program financed by government deposit creation via the agency of treasury and central bank.



(suggest start at c. 6.25)

...To avoid either a carbon tax, or calling on private investment since green energy is a zero marginal cost proposition - ie with vanishingly low product selling price achievable by the producers (once the infrastructure is built).

To the 3rd point: Why are those 14,000 wind turbines idle?

Indeed, and we can have sea walls (if necessary) AND zero marginal cost green energy, which will enable change of resource use from extraction, development and distribution of fossil fuels, to building the necessary infrastructure, with very cheap electricity after the infrastructure is built (funded by government via its currency issuing capacity, as explained in the video).

Personally, I'm attracted to the idea of building green infrastructure including solar/wind farms with pumped hydro ('battery') storage, and developing a concomitant recycling industry.

No more oil spills and accompanying environmental degradation,
regardless of the complex CO2 - climate change issue.

And Greta would be pleased too..... a win-win, so to speak.

 

Oh, is it triggering you? Democrats have been running serial coup attempts (Russian interference, bogus impeachment) against Trump since before the 2016 election:

The illegal effort to destroy the 2016 Trump campaign by Hillary Clinton campaign’s use of funds to create, disseminate among court media, and then salt among high Obama administration officials, a fabricated, opposition smear dossier failed.

So has the second special prosecutor phase of the coup to abort the Trump presidency failed. There are many elements to what in time likely will become recognized as the greatest scandal in American political history, marking the first occasion in which U.S. government bureaucrats sought to overturn an election and to remove a sitting U.S. president.​

If Dems weren't utterly deranged by Trump, they might have managed it by abusing the FBI, FISA courts, and the Deep State in general. Does that sound like a healthy democratic process to you, or an attempt to overturn the election so the results suit Democrats?

Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep the Southern border open so the flood of poor illegals from Socialist countries will pour in, replacing American voters with more reliable voters for Democrats. Don't believe me? In a 2015 poll of Hispanics, McLaughlin's voter profile on page 68 showed that 13% of non-citizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which is about what the Old Dominion/George Mason study found: 15% percent of non-citizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 16% percent of non-citizens admitted they were registered in 2010.

So why are Democrats in favor of such illegal activity unless they're willing to break laws to stay in power? They're used to committing voter fraud, even getting the dead to vote.

OK, of course you'd say that since you agree with their cause. But you know they admit they're hypocrites about it. When they claim it's a crisis and then live as though it's not a crisis, they're just common liars. So it's impossible to trust or take them seriously.

What??!! Oh my, that's really funny. Now is when they should be setting an example, but YOU'RE sure they'll give up their high lifestyle after the rest of us have been forced to live like peons. The nomenklatura in socialist countries like Venezuela and Cuba always get rich, it's the regular citizens who starve. Guess we're heading down that road....

I hope facts don't make you sicker.

 

"Triggered" because I don't think you could find your butt with both hands and a search light? Nah, don't think so.

Propaganda Alert!

Where are your sources?

You think they should use a donkey cart to get around? Egads. And Joe Biden wants to "make sure most Americans end up like the citizens of Venezuela or Cuba?"

Hohhhhhh-Kayyyyyyyy...

 

We can prove our beliefs by our committal to it, and in no other way. Any belief that does not command the one who holds it is not a real belief. And it might shock some of us profoundly if we were brought suddenly face to face with our beliefs and forced to test them in the fires of practical living. If you hate Big Oil, give up your car. If you think coal causes global warming, close your account with the electric company. To not do those things make one a hypocrite.

Are you willing to give up your car, refrigerator, A/C, gas heating and live without electricity, gas and vehicle riding a bicycle everywhere you go? Are you willing to do that?

 

You live in Kansas, don't you?

 

No. Actually live within 35 miles of the Gulf of Mexico. Been visiting the beach with a sea wall for decades. Have not noticed any discernible increase in water level.

Not saying it hasn't increased, just saying that it would be difficult for the average person to discern an overall inch of rise - because of the daily changing and varying tides. Who knows, maybe Florida is sinking?

 

Sinking or rising, same end result.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise

• Miami and Miami Beach already struggle with serious flooding related to sea-level rise — even when there is no rain.
• The ground under the cities of South Florida is largely porous limestone, which means water will eventually rise up through it.
• The cities are taking flood-control measures like installing pumps, raising roads, and restoring wetlands.
• Coastal cities around the world face similar problems.

 

Ah, so you’re one of those people who makes the perfect the enemy of the good. Solar power isn’t perfect in your mind, therefore it is a waste of time. Developing more energy efficient cars and appliances isn’t a perfect solution, therefore it’s hypocritical. Switching from coal to natural gas powered electrical generation isn’t perfect, therefore it doesn’t matter.

Sorry, dude. I have downsized from a large house to an energy efficient condo, moved to an area that has all my services within walking distance, installed energy efficient appliances and lights ... and while I don’t pretend it’s a perfect solution, I’m not going to let “perfect” be the enemy of “better”.

 

Not a waste of time.....a waste of money. Throwing huge amounts of money at a problem to produce a half bakes solution is a waste. Back in 1999/2000 there was no such thing as USB drives, there was a large capacity Zip disk (100MB). A new maker came to market with a more than triple capacity hard disk storage called the ORB drive. DVD drives didn't exist and CD writers and at that time weren't re-writable. I was working on an inventory program using bar codes which exceeded the capacity of the Zip disk capacity of the Zip disk. So I bought an Orb drive. I worked almost 2000 hours on that program which incorporated a bar code reader (new in those days). The Orb drive went belly up as did the company that made it. I couldn't recover all that work. So you can invest your hard earned money in not perfect solutions, all I can say is good luck. Buy a solar panel systems for $15,000, no telling it will have replacement panels 15 years from now. If they avoided patent payments by making the system proprietary what do you do then? You will have to buy a whole new system for another $15,000. That's the problem with investing in technology that has no national standards, you end up with an expensive white elephant. Pony up your VISA card and buy a whole new system.

Did you sell your car?

 

Ah yes, nothing screams SOOPER GENIUS more than claiming someone else has trouble locating his butt while at the same time demanding sources...WHEN THERE ARE MULTIPLES SOURCES ALREADY PROVIDED IN BOLD RED UNDERLINED TEXT.

You are quite entertaining, but I'm reasonably certain, given your tendency to such Biden-quality gaffes, that you don't have the horsepower to continue this discussion.

So the choices are private jet or donkey cart? Admit it: You're just running on autopilot, spouting nonsense. I don't have time to waste on you so either up your game or we'll call it quits.

Apparently you're fond of that expression. As if it conveyed anything except your inability to substantively respond to a point.

 

Anyone who pumps out half-baked Trumper trash like you do (see above) has no business talking about anyone else's ability to carry on a discussion.

 

And it seems that you're fresh out of Freedom Gas, so I'm going to end your torment with this version of my post that you keep quoting (it looks so much better with all the source links you couldn't see before):

Oh, is it triggering you? Democrats have been running serial coup attempts (Russian interference, bogus impeachment) against Trump since before the 2016 election:

The illegal effort to destroy the 2016 Trump campaign by Hillary Clinton campaign’s use of funds to create, disseminate among court media, and then salt among high Obama administration officials, a fabricated, opposition smear dossier failed.

So has the second special prosecutor phase of the coup to abort the Trump presidency failed. There are many elements to what in time likely will become recognized as the greatest scandal in American political history, marking the first occasion in which U.S. government bureaucrats sought to overturn an election and to remove a sitting U.S. president.
​

If Dems weren't utterly deranged by Trump, they might have managed it by abusing the FBI, FISA courts, and the Deep State in general. Does that sound like a healthy democratic process to you, or an attempt to overturn the election so the results suit Democrats?

Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep the Southern border open so the flood of poor illegals from Socialist countries will pour in, replacing American voters with more reliable voters for Democrats. Don't believe me? In a 2015 poll of Hispanics, McLaughlin's voter profile on page 68 showed that 13% of non-citizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which is about what the Old Dominion/George Mason study found: 15% percent of non-citizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 16% percent of non-citizens admitted they were registered in 2010.

So why are Democrats in favor of such illegal activity unless they're willing to break laws to stay in power? They're used to committing voter fraud, even getting the dead to vote.
admit they're hypocrites about it. When they claim it's a crisis and then live as though it's not a crisis, they're just common liars. So it's impossible to trust or take them seriously.

Oh, please--this doesn't mean they aren't prepared to give up their lifestyle as we might move toward a solution.

What??!! Oh my, that's really funny. Now is when they should be setting an example, but YOU'RE sure they'll give up their high lifestyle after the rest of us have been forced to live like peons. The nomenklatura in socialist countries like Venezuela and Cuba always get rich, it's the regular citizens who starve. Guess we're heading down that road....​

 

Global warming types, tell us just exactly what the temp of the earth should be. Back it up with logical common sense science.

 

IMO you raise one of the most significant characteristic of global warming that is consistently hidden in the closet or at best rationalized away with smoke and mirrors. That is the effect of saturation. In the main stream popular science saturation is assumed to not exist and the forcing is assumed, without question, linear with CO2 concentration for ever. This makes all the difference in the world (before even other factors) in projecting calamity.

 

Propaganda Alert!

 

my first thought? The hell you're not! But I'm reasonable, and I'm willing to hear you out. Not in this thread, that would be off topic. So start it, send me a pm and I'll be there.

What you think is not worth trillions of real dollars.

Exactly...now add to that the fact that wind and solar will never meet our energy needs, and we must discuss nuclear.

This is absolutely spot on:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...crisis-prove-it.568571/page-5#post-1071466566

Look in your heart, LM, when has shutting down science, dissent, or diversity, ever paved the way towards right decision making?

are you telling me that you have not?!

You've not emailed your congressional reps? your governor? Blasted off a post to the GP Lobbyists? Not even a letter to the editor of your local rag?

Take a minute from PF and explain the facts of Life to the Insulated Fools and Money-grubbers Club.
Tell them why nuclear, send your links. It doesn't cost a penny to make your voice heard.

 

We're advocating, not applying for a job.

Okay. You don't know "burning fossil fuels is putting upside pressure on global temperatures."

This is half-baked nonsense.

I don't operate on that level.

 

lol.
You expend endless words to powerless people on a web forum but can't be bothered to compose a missive to those who actually have some influence?

Interesting.

btw, you got a mouse in your pocket? or you royalty?