Misgendering

I rest my case. No interest at all.

 

I agree that we should let people think how they like but that is irrelevant to this discussion. When you are referring to someone by a name or pronoun, it is polite to call people what they want to be called, since you are right, it is about them and not about you. And therefore, by extension, it is polite that people refer to you by your correct name, and not doing so is a mistake. Remember that interactions aren't just about the other person, its also about you, and you have equal rights just like them. And you have equal rights to assert yourself and make a polite request when they make a mistake in referring to you.

In your example, if someone introduces himself as Bobby, I just call him Bobby. I don't ask about all his nicknames, that is just downright strange. I call him Bobby because he introduced himself as Bobby, and so that is what he wants to be called. I respect his right to be called whatever he wants. I respect his right to politely request I change the way I refer to him if I do make an honest mistake, because the way he is referred to is about him not me, and he has a full right to politely assert himself on things about him.

 

No, normal people are not and do not get upset when people get their names and titles wrong, at least initially. Normal people do get upset when other deliberately and maliciously get it wrong after be told otherwise. And yes there are not normal people among the transgender community who fly off at the drop of a name. They end up making the rest look bad. But they are still a minority.

 

1) It's not a mistake in their minds, and it's the right of others to regard you and refer to you in any way they see fit. It's not our job or our business to police the world into compliance with our will. That would be an act of narcissism. I have to say, you're missing the point on this. You're focused on the perceived obligation we have to view others in whichever way they demand of us. Civility comes from the other side of that equation - it comes from allowing others their truth (and mistakes) with good grace. Not sure if you've ever spent much time around the Japanese. They don't 'correct', or demand that others see them as they see themselves. That's actually the core of their well known grace and politeness.

2) I used the name situation as an example of identifiers and titles. Obviously, whatever someone offers you in the way of that, is what you use. But there are people who push for more for their own reasons - not because they didn't hear you.

 

No, they don't. At least not openly. They might be a little peeved with repeat offenders, but that's the healthy limit to it. If someone is feeling any kind of protracted anger or disquiet about it, THEY themselves have issues. That isn't a 'normal' response.

FTR, there are people I've known for 30+ years who still get my name wrong. They've been corrected (not by me, but by others on my behalf) many MANY times, but still do it. Maybe it's laziness, maybe it's lack of regard for me personally .. it doesn't really matter. I have the emotional stability and maturity to not get twisted about it. I don't need to bend the world to my will.

 

Correct....I have no interest in your overactive imagination

 

Since you asked let me clarify.

There is the basic definition of morality which is essentially what any SOCIETY decides is right or wrong.

Theocratic societies base their LAWS on their theist definitions of morality which INCLUDE making it legal to marry underage girls and kill members of the LBGT community and ban all consumption of alcohol. They use their theist morality to justify random and wholesale killings. Theist definitions of morality are primarily derived from ancient texts that ASSUME that whatever was previously written in past millennia MUST be the arbitrary and capricious LAW of their imaginary deity.

Secular societies base their LAWS on the morality of individual EQUALITY and make the determination of what is morally right or wrong depending upon how something infringes upon that equality.

Needless to say there are some instances where BOTH types of societies have SIMILAR LAWS but they are the exceptions rather than the norm.

Here in America we set up a SECULAR Law of the Land based upon the PRINCIPLE of individual EQUALITY that is undergoing a process of trying to rid itself of the noxious influences of negative theist morality.

However we also have a very active MINORITY theist segment of our society that wants to IMPOSE their theist morality on everyone else in spite of that being a VIOLATION of the Law of the Land.

The MAJORITY are BOTH atheists AND theists who AGREE that LAWS based upon the SECULAR morality of individual EQUALITY is preferable to any of the theist versions of "morality".

Hopefully that makes it clear where I stand.

 

Im terrible with names. If I try to stick to names, you'll be Frank, I mean Lisa er, Brandon. Thomas. Jill. No. Hey you!

 

I identify as Master. Call me Master.

 

See this is what I have been saying and did so in response to:

You make no mention of distinction of types or morality. I point out that we have indeed managed to legislate some morality successfully, and you try to tell me I am wrong and then turn around and make the same claim I have. I started with noting that law and morality are not automatically one in the same, and that changing laws do not necessarily reflect changing morality. You initially disagree, but then come around to the first line of the second quote, "we agree that that morality and laws are not the same thing". Then when I claim that we have managed to successfully legislate some morality, as counter to the bold, and later point out that not all morality is theist, you still continue to tell me I am wrong, and yet turn right around and note that we have successfully legislated secular morality. Do you not see how confusing that is?

 

Unless you can regenerate, you'll never be The Master.

 

Don't we already do this with our children?

 

That is nothing but an absurd FALSEHOOD that disingenuously MISREPRESENTS what I actually posted!

If you are CONFUSED by your own failure to understand what I actually posted that is NOT my problem!

 

No, because I identify as The Master (even though I'm a girl).

 

many people like Trump have thin skin, how would Trump respond if someone said he wasn't a "real" man

the real issue I have is with people being discriminated against, denied jobs, attacked, denied housing, the right to marry the one they love, get a marriage license, sold food, ect....

I do not care what one thinks about others as long as they don't discriminate against them

 

yeah, it is annoying when people like Trump talk about himself in the third person all the time

 

Really, all of Trump's personal traits together don't amount to a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned. There's no one in this world that I dislike enough to cut off my nose to spite their face. I'm not going to hurt myself to get at Trump. The millions and millions of people who now have good jobs because Trump waved his "magic wand" are not going to give them up because they hate Trump. You're going to have to do better than "Orange Man Bad' if you're going to win in November. Orange Man may be bad, but he's not bad enough to give up the green that he's putting in our pockets.

 

Most of that is illegal, so it's a moot point.

Private businesses however, have the legal right to refuse service to anyone, at any time, for any reason.

 

Trump was riding the Obama wave, now Trump is preparing to pass the next President the Trump crash, Trump is pulling a Bush

 

Great post. Says very succinctly, what many think.

Plenty of people hate him, but they'll still vote for him.

 

many republicans are trying to make it legal, denying lgbtq the same equal right protections

no they do not have the right to discriminate, your first statement and last statement contradict one another

if they want to discriminate they need to become a private members only club, not a public business open to the general public

 

well at least your admitting many republican hate Trump, but do not care and will vote for him anyways - Trump is the best the right has, there is no one else, lol, Trump is their Christian moral family values poster boy

personally I prefer Obama's Christian family values

 

And the "magic wand"? Taking the "boot of government' off of the "neck of business" didn't have anything to do with it?

 

That is NOT for you to decide!!!!!!!!

 

People will vote for Trump for the same reasons that they go to work even though they may not like their boss.