Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it did not!

    There was no "quotation" of the comment to which you were responding. And therefore no-one knew to whom your response was destined.
     
  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But, as I NEVER TIRE OF SAYING TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW SOCIALISM, it no longer exists anywhere in the world.

    What has replaced it is called Social Democracy, as employed today in all European Union countries ...
     
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    Socialism, communism, democratic-socialism, national-socialism, Maoism, Italian-fascism, it doesn't matter.
    No variant of Marxism increases human well being in general. All variants of Marxism increase equity (equal outcomes) and decrease well being in general.

    The only places on Earth where people are equal are in the graveyards. That is why all attempts to impose any variant of Marxism has put some many people in them.
     
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    Extraordinarily ignorant. The definition of the economic paradigm is decidedly important. It would at least stop cretinous Americans comparing right wing fascism with left wing socialism.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the best you got? "No True Scotsman"?
     
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    How so?
     
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    Typically cos you have nothing but poorly thought out opinion that ignores any resemblance of economic comment?
     
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    It is also intended to encourage employers to use more workers by lowering wage levels.
    Most rightwingers were never interested in a NIT.
    I'm not sure I agree with the second part of the analysis, but there is a disincentive that comes with any program that provides more money.
    The NIT was about counteracting the impact on employment of the minimum wage, actually not much of a problem because the minimum wage is so low. One of the reasons I support a NIT is moving toward a day coming soon when large numbers of workers are displaced by AI, quantum computing, and high-speed wired and wireless communications.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    If you want to just trade insults I have no interest, if you want to discuss the topic then do so.
     
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    Only when the war was lost did Germany go on a full war footing. Try getting it straight.
    That's plain nuts.
     
  11. Reiver

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    i.e. Corporate welfare

    Most right wingers can't tie their laces. However, its a right wing approach.

    I've merely given the facts. NIT proved even distasteful to the right wing grunters

    Rubbish! The minimum wage, even when the NIT was being composed, was being shown to be no problem. It was part of supply side economics, which has since been shown to be based on absolute kack.
     
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    I'd prefer if you referred to economic content. Why don't you?
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    I'm probably one of the few people you might meet who was simultaneously on a teachers' union executive and on the board of a conservative political party. IOW, you have no idea what you're talking about.
    No disagreement here.
    Before you tell me what I think, you might do a little research about what I've written in forum messages.
    I don't support the ripoff capitalism we have today in the United States.
    I didn't support Obama, McCain, or Romney.
     
  14. LangleyMan

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    Raise corporation taxes.
    Most leftwingers are all set to ignore the laws of supply and demand. Are you one of them?
    Oh? How about the earned income tax credit?
    Not "no problem," but a small one.
    At that point, supply-side economics hadn't been hijacked by rightwing tax-cutters. But no matter.
     
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    Influence costs? Sounds like gibberish. Influence cost... We're just talkin about Canada Australia France Germany Scandinavia. Don't worry we'll still have the Atlantic ocean and all the natural resources anyone could want. And the scumbag lying GOP.
     
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    I don't appreciate your one liner routine, designed only to replicate the lack of content crafted by right wingers. I'm more interested in why you think the negative income tax, a well known right wing concept, is somehow something to whooop incoherently about. Have a try!
     
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    Its Econ 101. Perhaps learn some before spreading your bland capitalism?
     
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    Before Obamacare Medicaid was only for the very lowly employed or totally unemployed. New York state had $800 as the app for upper limit. Ma
    ny Republican states had zero. And other states too. Now it's a hundred and 30% of the poverty line except in red states where they don't do it and it's still zero. Brilliance
     
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    Only brainwashed English-speaking conservatives believe that crap. You're talking about communism with ownership. And no democracy that goes with it
     
  20. LangleyMan

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    :deadhorse:
    Suppliers ship goods every day to wholesalers and retailers that are cannot be returned.
    So what? Credit is extended every day by people supplying goods.
    You're running a bluff.
    Trump is a crook. Only Trumper dummies haven't figured that out.
    Saying they have difficulty attracting capital isn't denigrating them.
     
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    I took econ 101 and there was nothing about influence costs. What the hell do you mean Einstein? At least you know what socialism is.
     
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    The difference between central bankers and everybody else.

    Hired by whom?? Who owns the FedRes??
     
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    I referred to economic history why don't you discuss it? If you don't know it I charge for research.
     
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    Then move to Canada or France. If they want to fork over money for your whatever - then it's a happy marriage.

    As for people who value liberty, yes we are less free with every law and welfare scheme you leftists get on the books.

    Law is force. You are empowering the government to use force to take from one person, against his will, and give it to someone else who didn't earn it.

    My money and property are not a piece of some giant pie that everyone gets to vote on how to distribute.

    The foundation of America is the rule of law that constrains government and protects private property.

    Furthermore, there is no Constitutional provision which allows it, so it is illegal.
     

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