This nonsense need to be nipped in the bud before it gets stated

One commentator last night said that we are getting a glimpse of the "Green New Deal" right now- almost no airplanes flying, few cars on the road, air quality improving... with a grossly disrupted economy, and financial ruin taking place and growing everyday. Of course, this is just a mini-serving compared to what AOC envisions. I've looked up the stats for the NY 14th district she represents, and while they aren't the ugliest, one has to wonder how severely impaired people would have to be to elect such an idiot. That alone makes me concerned for the future of the nation.

 

~ Many of us in California feel exactly the same - and that includes voters from both parties.

 

and Senate approval and the signature of the President of the United States.

I am amazed that when Democrats control 1/3 of the process it becomes their fault.

 

That was not my point. My point was that this was not solely Trump's fault.

The Senate is not directly involved in the budget.

 

I agree the fault is not solely President Trump's. That was not my point my point was that there three legs on the budget stool not one. The bills begin in the House, but as with other bills the Senate must concur or amend the bill.

 

Despite McConnell's ramblings, there is no legal recourse for States to declare bankruptcy. The only actual choice they have is simply to go into default. Arkansas defaulted in the 30's and as the Pension Tsunami approaches those states that have massive underfunded pensions, we're going to see that again.

 

Of course you realize that Illinois is one of ten states that sends more money to the Federal Government than they receive. As a matter of fact there are only 4 states that are rated above Illinois in the difference between the money they send vs. the money they receive.

 

Trump did not. You of all people should know spending bills start in the House. A president cant spend what he doesnt get.

 

A president can veto any spending bill. So yes, he can refuse to spend. The buck stops there.

 

Back on thread, can any democrat here tell me why a taxpayer say in Kansas should have to help foot the bill caused by stupid democrat politicians in Ill/Chicago? Since those politicians didnt do the responsible thing, why should that Kansas taxpayer have to step up and be responsible for irresponsible pay outs to Chicago's teachers unions?

 

You said it was signed by Obama, that is false.
Much of the spending was already outlined in the bill... that Bush signed...

Fact not high on the list I see.

 

September 30, 2009. The Bush Administration submitted it to Congress in February 2008, right on schedule, but Congress stated it was dead on arrival. Why? It was the first budget to propose spending more than $3 trillion, it underfunded the War on Terror, and its revenue projections ignored the warning signs of recession.

As a result, it wasn't signed until President Obama took office in 2009. At the end of FY 2008 (September 30, 200, President Bush and Congress signed a Continuing Resolution to fund the government for another six months. As a result, the newly-elected President Obama passed the FY 2009 budget, folding in $253 billion in expenses for the Economic Stimulus Act.
https://www.thebalance.com/fy-2009-u-s-federal-budget-and-spending-3306311

 

That is the federal budget.
TARP was signed on October 3, 2008

It is odd how you blame only democrats then you turn around and say the “Bush Administration submitted it to Congress”.

 

California has a problem with state pensioners fleeing the state upon retirement. They vote for increased taxes for wages and pension increase then flee to avoid paying the taxes after retirement.

 

They had walked themselves into smelly deep doo-doo long before the corona pandemic. The states should be ignored and left to stand or fail on their own.

People might begin to question why in the hell is that in the budget.

Whether the federal government can survive is in question, and the federal government is in no position to bail out states.

 

When was the budget approved?

 

Lets rewind:
“TARP was signed by Bush — minor details...
CARES was signed by trump”

Followed by your jump to the budget that was proposed under bush
“The budget was signed by democrats and the TARP money was spent by democrats. Major detail.”

 

That didn't take long.

Told ya Moscow Mitch was going after pensions...and his minions are falling right in line

 

Nearly 3/4 of FY 2009 was under Obama and Obama signed the budget. Only a continuing resolution was signed by Bush. His budget was disapproved by congress. Given those facts, who is most responsible for the spending in FY 2009?

 

No. We should not be responsible for New York's extravagant spending.

 

Caused by a recession from a Republican. Ok, and?
Obama is as responsible for that spending that trump is for current spending using the same metrics of your post.
We agree then.

 

I did not think we should be bailing out the corporations in FY2009 because much of it was there own doing. I did support putting people back to work to repair our infrastructure. I figured that was money well spent which would need to be spent at one time or another. However, that never really happened.

This is an entirely different situation. No one can really be called responsible except China. We told people not to go to work and they have to eat and pay their rent and not to support them would be disastrous. I would provide some support for small businesses. I would offer no more than loans to large businesses and corporations.

 

I can agree with everything you just said.
Still — if you want to blame Obama for the recession costs, you must blame trump for the virus costs.

 

Two entirely different situations which I explained. We did not have to spend as much in 2009, but now it appears that there are no viable alternatives.

 

So you oppose and are complaining about the spending bills coming out of the Congress and would urge Trump to veto them?