Hi, What do common people know? Not much. They aren't experts on anything, and if they are it's only on one topic. Why should we get to choose our leaders and political future when career bureaucrats are so much better at the job? Indeed this is what almost every country in the world has done over the past century - erect largely unaccountable bureaucracies and give them power to regulate on almost every topic. Legislatures exist only to empower the executive bureaucracy to make law themselves and to give a glint of democractic legitimacy. However, the current crisis has showed that these bureaucrats are, after all, human. ___________________________________________ It's got me thinking, machine learning has come a long way and it won't be that long until they are better at setting policy than the bureaucrat class, let alone the ignorant, pitiful masses. Should we aim for an impartial, rational, scientific based order where we machines set policy automatically to minimise harm and maximise health and wellbeing? With a national CCTV network based on facial recognition technology, with AI flagging any suspicious behaviour, we could near eliminate crime. With a small implant AI could automatically call emergency services or book you in for mandatory, free, invasive surgery if something is wrong with your health. We could flatline the death rate. After all, risky behaviour is paid for on the public dime. By engaging in such conduct you are effectively robbing your common man. With a mandatory social credit system we could incentivise good behaviour by the pathetic masses. Want that holiday to Cape York? You had better avoid that McDonalds cheeseburger. Considering speaking out online about your holiday getting cancelled due to your social crimes? You had better reconsider or your existence might become a net-negative to society. __________________________________ What would the argument even be against such a system? Do you want people to die? Your petty concerns about freedom are just that, petty as ****, this is a matter of life and death. Coronavirus is a huge opportunity for us to reshape our future for the better, and discard our infantile attachment to rights and principles. Your rights end where harm begins. Thanks.
The only thing could run my life better than faraway disconnected bureaucrats would be a machine programmed by faraway disconnected bureaucrats.
Is that sarcasm? This is a serious issue. Lives are at stake. Your petty attachment to the infantile delusion of liberty KILLS PEOPLE.
I am a technocrat unfortunately humans cannot effectively run a technocracy as they are running the same thing the system is supposed to protect against. I would support the combination of technology and biology to produce things like Robocop or judge dred. It would save so much time and money and be far more efficient. We will move to that one day of course but we shouldn't try to slow it down.
AI is too new & can still be manipulated, the issue is also too important. Look at Google's AI algorithm, they manipulate it to display results according to their ideology. Earlier this week I searched bitchute and it came up first result, did the same yesterday and they removed it from search....today it's back? Not to mention al the conservative news they are blocking or not ranking. I am however a proponent of putting the vote on the blockchain, you won't have any irregularities
Firstly, if I may right (or left) wing conspiracy theories are not 'news'. News is fact based with contents that can be independently verified. Note the use of the word 'fact' (dictionary are definitions available BTW if required). Secondly, unfortunately you don't get to cherry pick those parts of the internet you like (blockchain) and then disconnect the rest. It's a package deal.
Firstly we know Google do this because we've had whistleblowers....so clearly YOU are the one biased here as my statement is based on evidence...whereas you are simply trying to smear my point without ANY evidence. ‘Playing selective god’: Google ‘whistleblower’ tells Project Veritas that search engine ‘skews’ results in Democrats’ favor https://www.rt.com/usa/503964-whistleblower-google-skews-results/ And secondly if you understand how the blockchain work, you will understand it cannot be manipulated, by anyone left right or centre, which makes it completely decentralised and unbiased... unlike what Google is doing with its AI...and now I question your motives because why would you not want that?
I have no ideological agenda. As for evidence? Do I have to list all the 'news' websites, forums and message services out there spewing forth conspiracy theories and outright lies for political and/or financial gain. And for every whistle blower you could name who has revealed something significant for the public good you have 1000s of malicious actors doing the opposite. Do the few good deeds vastly out there outweigh the ocean of crap? You tell me. Google and Facebook etc? all the big IT forms are facing increased pressure around the world (e.g the EU, America and Australia) to both curb their market power and reign in the amount of 'fake' consent. This is a fact. Naturally being profit driven they resist this - if nothing else fact checking and editing their content is expensive. But then that's what all businesses do when government tries to regulate them, for any reason. So if you don't like Google? well don't use it. It a free service - that how their business model works, you get a search algorithm, they get your search history and monetize it. Same thing for Facebook, its free but if you don't want them tracking your connections then the solution is simple don't use it. Your a grownup, you have a choice. Finally as for blockchain, it been around for a while and it may well have a big future in the finance industry as a means of securing financial transactions etc. Time will tell. But as for general usage as a means of secure messaging, data, search histories etc. who knows. However one thing. If it becomes viable for general use it will not be free. There will be a financial cost. And Google will still be free so ... what are you going to choose?
I'm not sure what exactly your problem is.... the topic is about AI, I said it can be manipulated and I provided evidence when you questioned such. I said I prefer the blockchain because it CANNOT be manipulated. Whatever else you harp on about is just a load of crap
Oh excellent debating skills. Who was your sensei? That aside you were the one who said 'they manipulate it to display results according to their ideology.' So, to be clear you are the one who brought ideology into the thread not me. And I was 'on topic' I pointed out that the business models used by the big IT firms is being challenged and attempts were made to constrain their power, albeit those attempts would be resisted. You are also the one who accused me of being 'biased', presumably because I disagreed with you. (Interesting interpretation of use of the term 'bias' BTW) All I did however was point out that there is no such thing as free lunch i.e. that blockchain, for all its strengths (which I acknowledged) as an on-line service has to be paid for, by someone, somewhere, at some time - as opposed to the Facebook/Google 'free' access model. Am I wrong about that? If so point out where? For that matter you main complaint about Google et al seems to be that you resent their blocking of what you describe as 'conservative news', not legitimate, truthful or fact based news mind you, no - just 'conservative' news. So I can only assume your chief beef with Google eta al is they 'block' news (sites/posts etc) you like and deem newsworthy. And if they also block 'left wing' news using exactly the same fact checking methodologies and algorithms well that's OK . Screw 'left wing' news - they can block that to their hearts content. Alternately (and here's a radical idea) maybe all the big IT companies are awash in a sea of digital BS and those sites that get banned/blocked are the ones spreading Donald's favorite term 'fake news'. Or do you think only the left does that?
You completely ignore the whistle blower.... clearly whistleblowers only matter when they reveal information that align with your narrative
You means this bit? 'And for every whistle blower you could name who has revealed something significant for the public good you have 1000s of malicious actors doing the opposite.' I have no issue with 'whistle blowers' releasing information for the public good. It is however a rare event compared to the enormousness amount of malicious, harmful disinformation being 'released' on line.
So you're against freedom of information... you're allowed to have your own opinion.... until you stop freedom of information and then you're not entitled to your opinion anymore. Your views will be obstructed as much as mine. By the way, China already use AI for social credit scores, it's authoritarian to the extreme... I'm genuinely surprised that you approve of oppressive measures such as these. Suppose I shouldn't be...
??? I'm not sure how you get to 'I'm against freedom of information' after my comment stating I had no issue with whistle blowers releasing information for the public good? Really? Beyond that I merely pointed out a simple truth. Which was that every positive release of morally justifiable truthfull 'leaks' on to the internet there is a tidal wave of lies and disinformation. Or am I wrong about that? As for China, it's a Police State, for all intents and purposes its internet is NOT part of the WWW and shouldn't be considered as such. It's like comparing you local l mobile phone network to the internal phone system in a prison. You can make phone calls on both but that's where the resemblance ends. Clear enough?
There is more lies in the mainstream media, without a free internet you will have ONLY lies. It is a dangerous precedent to hand over truth to a small elite who gets to decide what is true and what is not. As for China they use AI for social scoring their citizens, AI can be manipulated, it should not be used to promote "better policies". Notice how they wrap the package in "live a good life in safety" below....AI is not your friend. The blockchain is different, it is open source, transparent and can't be manipulated https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognit...cial-intelligence-superpower/?sh=783314cc2f05
And therein lies the problem. You believe 'mainstream' media lies (apparently more than anyone else) and that by default then other sources of information on the internet are better. Which basically amounts then to searching for sites on the web that validate your own preexisting viewpoints and then accepting whatever is written or screened there simply because it does validate what you already believe. For all its faults, main stream media are; - public companies and as such subject to regulation; - have to comply with journalistic codes of conduct (the recent retraction by a prominent Fox news readier who incorrectly reported some minor anti-Biden hoax as 'fact' and retracted that comment later when the facts became apparent is a good example). No biggie BTW just a public admission that in this instance they got their wrong but an example none-the less. - can be sued for malicious and intentional false reporting about a person or other entity. So exactly how many of your vaunted on-line 'news' sources do those set of circumstances apply to? Now there's no problem getting news, information and ideas from sources other than on-line 'media' but there is a problem if you start thinking the entire mainstream news system is corrupt and filled with lies but somehow 'miraculously' all those other on-line news sources you so approve of aren't!! So wheres the metric? your yardstick for making such a judgement - other than (again) your own preexisting biases? Show me the facts and statistics proving your right. So I have little problem with the big tech firms fact/checking the mountain of false information out there. And if they get it wrong, or someone just wants to challenge them on a specific case? Well at least their processes and records are documented and can be subpoenaed if necessary. Which is more than you can say for the army of paid/ideologically driven /malicious/ invisible trolls out there deliberately pumping out pure fiction labeled as 'news'. As for AI? like every other technological advance since the wheel it will be a two edged sword, both threat and promise at one. And blockchain is the same. Used to secure commercial information 'good'! Used to somehow secure the exchange of child pornography? Bad!
Did or did the media not declare Biden President before the election have been called...blatant lies. There are so many examples, I don't bother to watch anymore. Obviously you're nailed to the couch in front of mainstream media because otherwise you would realise how manipulative and wrong they are. but that is not the point of this thread.
Really!! That's the example you chose? Declaring Binden won the election!!! Scarlett, the dictionary refers to that kind of event as a prediction or forecast. And if you don't know the difference between reporting who is forecast to win an election (based on exit polls and analytical models - the sources of which are always credited in mainstream news media BTW) and reporting known events, I cant help you. Presumably you have no problem with weather bureau forecasts as presented in the news or predictions about sporting outcomes made by sports journalists and/or betting agencies but hey maybe they are all 'liars' to - you should write to the government and tell them to shut the BoM down As for me being 'nailed to the couch ...' You seem to have missed it when I sad; 'there's no problem getting news, information and ideas from sources other than on-line 'media'. I do it myself. But credulous people fact check what they read/see before they accept non-mainstream news hook line and sinker (and get reeled in). So now I'll give you an example; A couple of years ago I was forwarded a 'news' story published/copied by an on-line 'site' purporting to state that due to protests by the local Muslim community public displays of Christmas trees, carols & decorations etc had been canceled that year by order of the local shire. What to do? A quick fact check 'on-line' of the local shire newspaper (that dam mainstream media again) and guess what? There was a front page story quoting the Mayor of the Shire stating there was such no ban, the Shire had never been requested (by anybody) to implement a ban & no-one new how this 'story' came to be circulating. Total BS in other words. But according to you since mainstream media are all liars I should have taken that first on-line report as gospel? You also haven't provided me with any facts supporting your contention that main stream media is 'full of lies' (but internet news sources are not). Failing that you haven't even clarified your methodology of choosing on-line sites as somehow being more 'truthful' than mainstream news. I presume it only has to pass the 'like' test.
I think you should move to China if you like AI & controlled media so much. what's the odds of you already being there
That's the best you can do? I must be a Chinese fifth columnist? The guy who referred to China as a 'police state' and likened it's internet system to a prison phone service? Do you even read my previous posts properly? And all because I do have not problem with ISPs & IT companies etc engaging in documented fact checking of what gets published on their systems. Obviously you don't regard facts as being essential in 'news' . Fiction apparently serves you just as well. But what the hey, fact/fiction? who says the difference matters.
