Brexit Delay? The EU wants one, the UK does not.

I thought that Trump fella said it was all a load of bollox and tried to get everyone back to work.....mind you he's a few bricks shy of a load so I guess in his more lucid moments at the White House he was bouncing off the walls yelling "FAKE NEWS"....anyway you're right there's a shed load of Yanks croaking it at the moment so inspite of the fact that its all a conspiracy cooked up by CNN, the Chinese and the Mexicans, we should help them out....we could send them Dominc Rab!!

Don't you just love it! Its a bloody lovely day, sun is shinning, its warm and its a phucking bank holiday and gods decided to take the piss and create this virus so we can't enjoy it....tosser....!!

 

I don't think in nationalistic terms as you frame them. I am aware of abuse by the powerful however they assemble themselves, as well as greed, hypocrisy, oppression, exploitation...that kind of stuff.

 

Whatever, NI should become independent if it also leaves the UK, not ROI, why should NI be ROI?
Open your mind.

 

You tell me why Northern Ireland 'should' be part of the Republic of Ireland. I have not suggested that.
Where do you get the notion that Northern Ireland should leave the UK and become independent? I have not suggested that either.
You are not in a position to instruct me to 'open my mind' even if authoritarian oppression is part of the UK mindset, and possibly yours.

 

"After an appeal from the UK to NATO allies, German newspaper Der Spiegel reports that Angela Merkel’s defence minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer has agreed that army will send 60 ventilators."

"The UK originally rejected an EU scheme to work together to order the life-saving equipment, before claiming that they had missed the e-mail communications to join for the reason it had not joined."

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...e-uk-to-help-nhs-tackle-coronavirus-1-6601762

 

So we agree, Northern Ireland should be what they want to be, which is British.

 

If you want to departmentalise Northern Ireland and then say what they 'want' to be. Well beyond opinion, there is actual evidence from the Belfast Agreement referendum, the 2016 EU referendum, and indeed the election from last December to put into the mix regarding what Northern Ireland actually 'wants'.

 

Well, I was raised in West Belfast, midway between St. Peter’s and the Division Tower. I return a couple times a year. There has been a surge in membership in Sinn Fein on both sides of the border, helped significantly by the BREXIT issue. Many in the north on both sides of the past’s allegiance benefitted from the Easter Agreement, opening of the Border and Economic Benefit of belonging to the EU. Many in NI understand that there will be a huge economic impact with a hard border. And, given that, if I recall, correctly, 56% of those in the North voted against BREXIT so were already, by proxy, in the open border camp, discussion of a UI is no longer just a Republican pipe dream, but is emerging from the shadows in even the Unionist Camp. Many feel that Westminster treats them as second class citizens and doesn’t well represent their interests. So, the rhetoric of a having UI vote is openly being discussed, even between some in the DUP and Sinn Fein. To soon a vote IMO could fail, but a decision for a hard border might move sentiment along.
The too, on both sides of the previous lines of adversity, there are the extremists, somewhat rendered irrelevant since over the years since the EA, that would like a return to relevance and influence waiting for any opportunity. Something I think the majority wishes to avoid. Something as radical as a push for an independent NI, will disenfranchise a large portion of the population and may be the opportunity the extremists hope will be pushed.
Funny, I have tow friends in Ireland, one in Belfast, the other in Tralee that gave joined a group sometimes called, the 51st... some thing I thought was a joke, however, there are some that have advocated both ROI and NI become the US’s 51st state. Seems it was fielded as a possibility to Obama who thought he could get it done... surprised Trump hasn’t offered to buy the Island. Now that would be funny.

 

The source of confusion about your comments here is that nobody has suggested otherwise. You opened with the mistaken notion that NI is somehow remaining in the EU and implied that Brexit had some kind of direct impact on NIs status as part of the UK. It all went downhill from there.

 

The EU's border will be down the Irish Sea cutting NI from the rest of the UK.

 

Which is not what was voted for is it? So if that happens it is not Brexit or the Brexit vote being honoured.
Tory deception.

 

Intended deception or not, my strong speculation is many among the UUP and the DUP fell betrayed. It’s painfully obvious Boris is putting them in the same bucket that in the past was reserved for the Nationalists and Republicans, wards that should accept their status as second class subjects as voices in the Wind. IMO, it is fracturing the elements of unity they historically enjoyed and causing many to see some potential of a UI giving them the advantages of being part of the EU. Since the EA cross border marked exchange has become so significant that a hard border threatens economic gains that have been achieved, and money in the pocket is a great driver of votes. The ROI has subtly been paving the way and opening discussions on what an UI must look like to be a government that represents all the interests and mitigate the fears of many in the north under a UI.
Unfortunately the one leader who had been building broad confidence among the different factions was The late Martin McGuinness who, in a personal conversation we share said it’s time to stop thinking along the historic divides and start thinking about an Ireland of the future serving all it’s inhabitants, something he personally demonstrated with the bridges he was building together with Ian Pasely. Martin might no longer be with us, but his vision has become aspiration to a growing number, with Brexit and an increasing number feeling betrayed.
I suspect there will be some major political changes over the next decade. Not just in with Ireland and the UK, but cracks are beginning to show in the EU as well. I don’t think the EU is sustainable in its current form, but that is a different discussion.

 

That is grossly over-simplistic and I can't possible accept that you're so stupid as to actually believe it's true. Either way, I'm sure you have interest in discussing those complexities so I'll just try to stop you misleading anyone else reading.

 

What is the truth for the EU/UK land border?

 

....can rot in hell... the little bastard was a phucking kunt of the first order and should have been given a very long and painful death when we had the chance....

..was he pissed when he said that or are you making it up? That little Kunt was not interested in anything but his own deluded sense of the world as percieved in his warped brain.....historic divides....my arse....the guy was unhinged.

.....anyway do carry on..........I do so like Ireland and its people....

 

NI is and will remain part of the UK so when the UK leaves the EU, the EU/UK border will be the land border on the island of Ireland by definition. There are plans (which haven't been fully agreed upon yet) to ensure a frictionless border on the island of Ireland as far as trade is concerned, including NI continuing to keep regulatory alignment with the EU and carious proposed technical and procedural systems to allow the necessary custom checks to be performed away from the border itself, including a ports of entry/exit between NI and the rest of the UK, but that doesn't mean the EU border will be in the Irish Sea.

It's a far from perfect solution (taken from a list of equally imperfect alternatives) and I'm not convinced it will work especially well (this is one of the main reasons I voted remain at the time) but that's no reason not to be accurate and honest when discussing the topic. Brexit is happening and we all need to make the best we can out of it.

 

As far as I can tell at the moment the plan for the land border is a mixture of honesty boxes and turning a blind eye.

 

Here we have another Briton who believes the lies of his own Brexit leadership more than the facts.
The fact is that Ireland was treated like a colony within the British Isles or UK, no better than the rest of colonies like India or Africa!
The Irish resisted this from the start and the IRA was not invented in the 1970s ... it had existed before, as had resistance to the snooty British Lords for centuries.
You are world champions in imposing your will on others and woe it does not work. You have failed in your empire, you have failed in the EU and you will ultimately also fail in your UK, because UK stands for United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Stupid if the majorities in 2 of these 4 parts regard the exit as the EU with a clear majority as a mistake ... even if you persistently deny that there is a majority ... again against all facts!

Interested in facts? ... Or is it more fun to continue spreading bullshit and to scold Germany, the EU and everyone who opposes your ideology?

This is about special fans and not about the ones you have on the desk. These are fans for laboratories and hospitals, which bring fresh air, but are filtered and such that even isolation stations in hospitals ... where the COVID-19 patients lie for known reasons ... can be operated without the virus escaping.
These devices come from the stocks of the German armed forces. At the request of the British Department of Defense, they were delivered to the UK by the German Air Force, e.g. to Manchester because the British armed forces do not have enough of their own equipment and the British hospitals are on the verge of collapse.
And all of this is completely for free, does not cost a pence ... despite Brexit and drum fire of lies and insults against my country by people like you!

And why not New York? Really a serious question from you?
Apart from the fact that you also asked the USA, but they say no to your request for help because they supposedly don't have enough, despite the largest and supposedly best equipped armed forces and supposedly being the best and greatest country in the world etc. ...

Donald Trump would rather bite his tongue off than ask someone in Europe for help! He would much rather look for scapegoats for his own failure and blame everything and everyone ... just not where the blame really lies: the person which Donald Trump sees in the mirror when he stands in front of it!

 

Facts eh?

Ireland are a loudspeaker for Brussels, how Independent is that?
Ireland's Phil Hogan said to RTE that he believes Boris Johnson has a secret plan to not extend this transition period and he's worried about Brexit's impact on Ireland's economy thinking it's UK place to worry about Brexit's effect on Ireland.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...e-talks-eu-Brexit-eu-uk-trade-deal-phil-Hogan
How stupid do you have to be?
There is no secret plan to not extend this transition period, it's enshrined in law so it can hardily be a secret.

God, imo, Ireland are free to be in the EU, nobody is forcing them, so whatever happens to them as a result of a hard WTO Brexit is on them and UK could hardily care if Ireland suffer because of Brexit since we're not Ireland or EU.

Facts:
EU isn't recognising UK as an independent coastal state asking more of the UK than they'd ask of Canada or Japan and quite frankly, what the EU are asking isn't going to cut it for a deal with the UK. It just can't. The EU is asking too much asking for a level playing field and unrestricted access to UK waters.

 

Lol ... and Northern Ireland, eh? Isn't it part of the UK suddenly and are you really so blind not to see the fragil situation in economy and politics there? Really so arrogant and ignorant?

And yet again a shining example of the fact that you still haven't understood the EU as a whole with the rules, the institutions and the mechanism with the facts ... but instead like a parrot repeating the bullshit and the fake news that Brexit does Have spread and continue to spread trolls!

You know that Johnson is demanding the same for EU waters, eh? So ... Eu shall give UK full access to EU waters, but you won't give in reverse, but this is OK?
Please come with full facts and don't hide the half to let is look otherwise as it is!

And ... no further bla bla comment abut the vants?

 

The EU aren't going to sign a deal with the UK unless it stops asking for a level playing field and unrestricted access to UK waters; even a parrot could understand this simple premise of Brexit meaning a divergence from EU rules and customs.

 

@Mandelus in what universe does Brexit mean Brexit in name only?

 

You don't understand that UK's not in the EU so shouldn't be expected to have a level playing field if Japan or Canada isn't required to for a deal.

The EU aren't treating UK like an independent coastal state so we're too far apart in these negations.

 

Isn't what Phil Hogan was worried about; he was speaking about the negative impact Brexit could have to ROI; which isn't the government's place to care about; ROI is no different than Germany or Romania, so why should Boris Johnson care what Brexit does to Ireland's economy?
Nobody is forcing Ireland to be in the EU so what ever Brexit does to them is on them if staying in the EU means they can't have free access with the UK, then that's Ireland being in the EU making it happen.

Also, ROI aren't independent since they're a loudspeaker for Brussels while the UK is not.

You mean, the EU doesn't get that UK's an independent coastal state ergo; no level playing field or unrestricted access to UK waters.
We are not that desperate for a deal with the EU to be put back to following EU rules.

WTO is better than a deal that see's UK following EU rules.

Simply put, EU are not asking this of Japan or Canada, and the UK can't agree to this for an EU deal.

The UK is an independent coastal state so why should the EU have jurisdiction here?

 

Your ridiculous hatred of the EU makes you really blind to facts!
It's not about the Republic of Ireland, it's about Northern Ireland, which is still part of the UK, eh?
do you actually have any idea what's going on in Northern Ireland? Make yourself smart first and don't come with the Republic of Ireland ... it's about Northern Ireland, where there was no civil war and is a very fragile company thanks to the EU!
But of course you will also contest that again ...

Didn't you still understand that the days of your insolent cherry picking are over?
You ... UK ... demands unlimited access to the EU internal market and therefore also to the waters of the individual EU member states for your fishing.
So is it outrageous that the EU then demands the same of you in return, eh?

And don't come with me to the WTO ... that's irrelevant! If you want to trade with the EU ... and ultimately you have to, because over half of your exports go to the EU ... then you have to follow the EU rules like everyone else. Norway and Switzerland, both not EU members, have negotiated contracts with the EU ... and hell with the WTO!

Are you so special that you can't or don't want to do it like Norway or Switzerland ... even like Canada with CETA and Japan with JEFTA? No, you are not ... if you should really be of the opinion, you are something special!