Trump Administration Tells States To Yank Benefits From Those Who Won’t Return To Work

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    That extra money was designed to compensate for the fact that the entire family is getting disrupted by this virus.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've been working since this started except for a 10 day stretch early april. My wife never stopped.

    So as far as content goes, I agree:
    no work no pay.

    you shouldn't be paid because of fear of the virus any more than fear of a traffic accident.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    The data from around the world demonstrates that the mortality rate is significantly higher.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Traffic accidents are not contagious and traffic accidents do not affect every person.

    This virus does.
     
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    Just curious, but how do you make that statement with any sincerity?
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Is it fear mongering when Trump changed the White House policy to require everyone entering the west wing to wear a mask?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Count the promises kept, if you are capable.
     
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    Which they remove as soon as the presser is over and mingle. Funny to watch the fake newsies.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fear is fear.

    As I mentioned above with my work and with my wife nut was simple.

    "We are open for business even if its slow, if you dont come to work due to your safety concerns that's fine. We need to cut hours anyway, stay home but dont expect compensation for doing so"

    It took me all of about 2 minutes to decide that I like my paycheck.
     
  10. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    if you feel that your work place is unsafe quit and get a different job. Unemployment is for someone who lost a job not for someone who doesn't want to do a job.
     
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    Pants Well-Known Member

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    Yup, he delivered. Except:
    Hillary is not in jail
    The wall was not paid for by Mexico
    All illegal immigrants were not deported
    He didn't ditch NATO
    He didn't official label China as currency manipulators
    He didn't reinstate torture
    He hasn't rebuilt the country's infrastructure
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand and I think and for the first couple of weeks, it was necessary because it caught people off guard. Now that time is over and the decision to return to work has come. Stay on unemployment or go back to work. There is no reason to continue to pay people as much as (two household workers) an extra $4800/month not to work. I am sure you will agree this is a silly practice by all accounts.
    I am not going to try to engage some here in the economic impact but suffice to say a good solid 20% of the jobs lost will be gone for a very long time. The left seems to promote that as a good thing, I wonder why?
     
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    Okay. So why doesn't Trump say that? Why doesn't he come out and tell people at his rallies - oops, pressers - that he will be cutting off UI for all those who don't want to go back to work? He has the balls to take the action - but not big enough to openly tell people about it? In public, he is talking about cautious re opening, but behind the scenes, its a different story. I just wish he would come out and say it. But he's making the governors and employers do the dirty work. Shocking.
     
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    This title is deliberately misleading.
     
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    Under normal circumstances there wouldn't be any problem. But we have states barreling ahead with re-opening plans when every learned body of medical science says slow your role. Compounding the matter is the ignorance or stubbornness of people to follow mitigation guidelines. The end result is an unsafe workplace and the people behind this know that fear is substantial and well founded but they want the economy to "return to normal" so they're going to try and strong-arm people into making it so. That's the problem.
     
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    Why should he -have- to tell people their UI runs out when the job comes back on line?
     
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    Does anyone remember this thread?
    "OREGON RESTAURANT: STIMULUS KEEPS PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED"
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...rant-stimulus-keeps-people-unemployed.571614/

    That thread was from less than a month ago. Plenty of lefties on that thread were eager to point out that unemployment benefits are cut off if a person chooses not to return to work (and presumably these same people supported that rule, as they posted about it?)

    But now that Trump wants states to take steps to enforce that rule, lefties are in an uproar. Hmm.
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    Why did he have a document created to state that fact?
     
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    what does states opening up or even the virus have to do with wanting to know this information?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is it shocking? Trump pulled off the most masterful deflection in history. The feds give the states what they feel are guidelines. It is now up to the governors of each state to decide how, when, and what parts of their economy to re-open.
    That move completely took the onus off the Feds and put it directly where it belonged, right in the hands of the governor of each state while eliminating the ability of the anti Trumpers to have any real case.
    Your arguments now lie with the governor of your own state, take your complaints up with them.
     
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    You avoided the question.
    Try again.:
    Why should he -have- to tell people their UI runs out when the job comes back on line?
     
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    I guess for the same reason he had to create the document - people are assuming from the pressers that the slow ease back in won't be done at their expense. But they're wrong, aren't they?

    So - now your turn. If it is already law, why would the Administration have to create a document to tell employers that if their employees don't come back, their UI will be terminated?
     
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    People forget just how many "essential" workers have remained working thru this whole thing.

    Why is it ok for a Walmart employee or a grocery store cashier or a convenience store clerk to have continued working throughout the shutdown ---- but now it's also ok for the worker at the local Knickknack Store to claim she's too scared to go back to work and she'd prefer to keep collecting unemployment plus the extra $600/week to stay home?

    Look at all of the businesses which remained open ---- and all of those employees who continued working ---- and then explain why it's ok for them to have kept working, but it's ok for the non-essential types to cry "scared" and keep collecting unemployment (plus $600/wk bonus) for staying home? How is that fair? Or even remotely logical?
     
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    Something to be proud of, for sure! We all knew what Trump was doing when he left the decisions to the governors. And now, we're seeing the extent of it. He's a fearless leader, that Trump. And a far better politician than I'd originally anticipated. Unfortunately, he didn't campaign on being a politician - he was going to be different. Now he's just like all the other cowardly, lying sacks of poop in Washington. Proud moment for supporters!
     

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